Xak III Patching issues

[pixeljunkie]

Has anyone successfully patched this game???

I am using CDR Win 3.9D
My BIN size never matches up with the readme specs that come with the patch [I had the same prob with Ys IV] The patch says it completes successfully...but then I get errors trying to burn the image?! This has happened identically on 2 different computers. Driving me nuts! I really wanna' play these games!!! argh!

If anyone has patched versions, I would gladly grease your palms a little to send copies to me. I have photos of me holding the originals, and a signed letter from the pope himself saying its okay.

[m1savage]

Are you able to make an unpatched copy of the game using cdrwin? If not, then I would suggest trying Alcohol 120% to burn it. Make sure you are getting a rip from your game exactly the way Nightwolve did. See the official page here.

http://home.earthlink.net/~nlivaditis/xakiii/index.html

I've played the translated version all the way through (it's pretty short actually) and found it enjoyable. Good luck!

[GUTS]

Yeah you're doing something wrong if your bin size is off.  A problem I had was that my main CD drive wouldn't support one of the options on CDRwin (I think it was reading subcode), so I had to use an external drive instead to get a working rip.

[pixeljunkie]

Yeah you're doing something wrong if your bin size is off.  A problem I had was that my main CD drive wouldn't support one of the options on CDRwin (I think it was reading subcode), so I had to use an external drive instead to get a working rip.

I think thats the prob I'm having...I can't find a friggin drive that that isn't greyed out on.

[Black Tiger]

Has anyone successfully patched this game???

I am using CDR Win 3.9D
My BIN size never matches up with the readme specs that come with the patch [I had the same prob with Ys IV] The patch says it completes successfully...but then I get errors trying to burn the image?! This has happened identically on 2 different computers. Driving me nuts! I really wanna' play these games!!! argh!

If anyone has patched versions, I would gladly grease your palms a little to send copies to me. I have photos of me holding the originals, and a signed letter from the pope himself saying its okay.

Give me your mailing address and I'll mail a patched copy out to you.

[pixeljunkie]

Has anyone successfully patched this game???

I am using CDR Win 3.9D
My BIN size never matches up with the readme specs that come with the patch [I had the same prob with Ys IV] The patch says it completes successfully...but then I get errors trying to burn the image?! This has happened identically on 2 different computers. Driving me nuts! I really wanna' play these games!!! argh!

If anyone has patched versions, I would gladly grease your palms a little to send copies to me. I have photos of me holding the originals, and a signed letter from the pope himself saying its okay.

Give me your mailing address and I'll mail a patched copy out to you.

[spews drink out in cartoon fashion onto screen]

PM sent

[zborgerd]

You aren't doing anything wrong!

I got it working.  After trying like hell to get my bin size to match up on Linux, I had to resort to using that shitty Goldenhawk CDRWIN progam (on my work PC) because NightWolve has no interest in using open/cross platform software that works to its *full potential*.

Odds are that CDRWIN's non-standard bin/cue format has changed again, and is producing bin files that simply will not matched up to what is required for the patching program.  I think that I used version 3.9K in order to rip the disk, patched it, and then burned it with the Windows port of CDRDAO (also known as BurnAtOnce - http://www.burnatonce.com/index.htm?news), seeing as I didn't want to wait until the end of eternity re-burning the game at 1x (which is the limitation of the unregistered CDRDAO).

As a fallback, I can send you a copy as well...  But it looks like Black_Tiger has you covered.  PM me if you ever need it.

[Black Tiger]

I had lots of problems before, mainly getting a program to burn the final images.

I finally got one old version of Nero to do it on one particular computer.

I just used the linked demo on Nightwolve's patching page to read the discs to my hard drive.

[NightWolve]

After trying like hell to get my bin size to match up on Linux, I had to resort to using that shitty Goldenhawk CDRWIN progam (on my work PC) because NightWolve has no interest in using open/cross platform software that works to its *full potential*.

Well, excuse me for not catering to you and 4 other whiny Linux zealots. Maybe you could've emailed me your little lecture about open/cross platform software and I would've considered adding another patch for this software. Oh, but why do that when you can just bitch about it here??

You seem to know a lot about me, but apparently never read the part in the Xak III ReadMe where I stated the following:

Also, included in the patch contents are binaries for Linux & MacOS-X.
 Run those binaries on the command line & follow what's in patch.bat to
 figure out how to apply the patch(should be a no-brainer) if patching
 on those platforms.. I can't test them, but i've included them to reach
 out to more gamer's platforms .. While CDRWIN doesn't exist for these
 platforms, there may be other CDRW programs that are compatible with
 the bin/cue standard. Good luck!

Oh yes, clearly I had zero interest in open/cross platform software, that's why I once went to the trouble of including PPF patcher binaries for Linux and MacOS-X. Though I subsequently did remove them given I couldn't much test on those platforms, and I knew there wasn't a CDRWIN for it. Since you had to get a BIN/CUE from a PC anyway, I later decided it was pointless, plus the backup plan for them was to just have downloaded the archive the group I was with already had made, and then you'd only have to worry about the burning aspect with whatever software worked well with your burner on Linux or Mac that supported BIN/CUE.

Now, I could spend some time filling in context and history on why I and many others did what they did with Goldenhawk's CDRWIN, why it was a preferred choice for some ~3 years (which is why you'll find several tech support guides instructing you on how to dump with it), but I'm not going to bother given your, you know, expert opinion on the software summarized with "shitty."

I think what most offends me with your comment is that you make the assumption I somehow knew of a better alternative back when I made this patch and started the whole idea of such a project, but I purposely chose not to use it to f*ck you worthless Linux zealots over. I was somehow obligated to you, to seek out this unknown cross-platform solution years ago, at the time? As if I had the resources, the desire to expend energy in this regard, or even the help? You actually have the effect of sealing my general opinion of Linux users.

Well, I am so deeply sorry I failed you - I'm sorry I had the utter audacity of using platform-dependent patching and burning solutions. Forgive me for those were the only solutions I knew of at the time and there was heavy investment in them with the group I was with - they taught me CDRWIN. Blame them if you must and spare me your wrath. Shucks, if only you were there to have led them in a different, more platform-independent direction, why, things might've worked out differently. Anyway, I'm also very sorry for preferring the PC platform and Microsoft over Linux, and for lacking the initiative to "think" more platform-indepedent mindedly in what I do. Really. Heh.

[akamichi]

I also had some trouble with CDRWIN.  It didn't like my drives or something.    Either I'd get the wrong bin size or the rip would fail with some SCSI error.

Luckily, I was able to rip the data track (track 2) at the correct size with a little C program I whipped up in linux.  Seemed to burn ok using cdrdao too.  I've only played a little of the game, but the translated text showed up just fine.  Made a number of coasters in the process though.

My prog still needs work but I think my main problem are the drives I'm using.

[esteban]

Well, I am so deeply sorry I failed you - I'm sorry I had the utter audacity of using platform-dependent patching and burning solutions. Forgive me for those were the only solutions I knew of at the time and there was heavy investment in them with the group I was with - they taught me CDRWIN. Blame them if you must and spare me your wrath. Shucks, if only you were there to have led them in a different, more platform-independent direction, why, things might've worked out differently. Anyway, I'm also very sorry for preferring the PC platform and Microsoft over Linux, and for lacking the initiative to "think" more platform-indepedent mindedly in what I do. Really. Heh.

Hey, we love you over here, NightWolve. I enjoyed reading your post (good stuff -- you certainly did not mince your words , BUT I also want to spread some love around so folks don't get intimidated by your post . Peace & Love.

[NightWolve]

Well, I get irritated easily as you might know. The sad thing is, I would've helped the guy if he emailed or ask me directly when he ran into this problem by instructing him perhaps on the image conversion technique for when CDRWIN fails you. But instead I find this, where he goes and makes an ignorant statement about me and it happened to be precisely the one example where, for a time, I once included Linux and Mac-OSX binaries to help. I mean, it didn't pan out (I forgot to remove that about the binaries from the ReadMe), but I actually friggin' tried; I just never knew about this CDRDAO at the time, and CDRWIN was big with our group so when you develop a trust for certain software, you don't exactly throw it away easily. Especially given the sensitivities with burning. I mean, nowadays, I can see that Alcohol 120% is the better burning software for BIN/CUE. It'll likely burn CDRWIN's own format with more burners even.

Anyway, if you do not email me your problem, how am I going to know about it? Don't get frustrated at me if you're not even willing to do that. I could've also, if asked, converted my original and patched BIN/CUE images using CDRDAO, diff'ed them to create another PPF patch, and so he could just grab that Linux binary for use with that, and bam, there you go. But hey, I've moved on, haven't touched that patch in almost 2 years, and if you didn't tell me your problem, well, it doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.

You'd be accurate to say that I do hate Linux users now, but that's because of them, given the years of their anti-Microsoft, anti-PC propoganda, their bragging, their badgering software developers to port to their platform, like they do to David Michel for the MagicEngine, etc. Sell Linux on its own damn merits instead of "hahah, screw Microsoft/PC!!" all the damn time. (For the record, I worked on Solaris at my old job, and I did install and use Redhat for a time at home, the only distro I ever liked. It didn't have firewire support and I wanted it for a server to access my large external drive. But yeah, it's not like I'm totally anti-UNIX and its various flavors like Linux because I realize it has important roles to play in certain circumstances. However, most of my legacy work has been built up on Windows, and I do not see a reason to change that. At some point though, I started to enjoy making fun of Linux and its proponents cause they got to me - I'm just saying, I wasn't always like that.)

[Black Tiger]

Anyway, if you do not email me your problem, how am I going to know about it? Don't get frustrated at me if you're not even willing to do that. I could've also, if asked, converted my original and patched BIN/CUE images using CDRDAO, diff'ed them to create another PPF patch, and so he could just grab that Linux binary for use with that, and bam, there you go. But hey, I've moved on, haven't touched that patch in almost 2 years, and if you didn't tell me your problem, well, it doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.

Back when I was having problems patching the games, I e-mailed NightWolve and he got back to me right away and was not only very helpful, but very friendly as well.

[NightWolve]

Back when I was having problems patching the games, I e-mailed NightWolve and he got back to me right away and was not only very helpful, but very friendly as well.

Awwww, thanks man. I have my moments. It depends, though. If the dude asking for help comes off as a bit immature, or really warez-like, I might just tell him to quit bothering me.

The fact is, one of the reasons I made the patches is because I was fond of the TG-16 system in my youth, growing up, and these were my gifts to other gamers who liked the system also, so generally, I wanted as many as possible to be able to enjoy them. That meant a lot of tech support. I also understood the principle that people remember those first impressions when you do manage to solve their problem and some time down the road, should you run into them, they'll be like, "Hey, I remember that dude. He helped me out. He's cool." There's of course the bitter side you develop because it can be quite draining over time. That's life though.

[zborgerd]

After trying like hell to get my bin size to match up on Linux, I had to resort to using that shitty Goldenhawk CDRWIN progam (on my work PC) because NightWolve has no interest in using open/cross platform software that works to its *full potential*.

Well, excuse me for not catering to you and 4 other whiny Linux zealots. Maybe you could've emailed me your little lecture about open/cross platform software and I would've considered adding another patch for this software. Oh, but why do that when you can just bitch about it here??

You seem to know a lot about me, but apparently never read the part in the Xak III ReadMe where I stated the following:

Also, included in the patch contents are binaries for Linux & MacOS-X.
 Run those binaries on the command line & follow what's in patch.bat to
 figure out how to apply the patch(should be a no-brainer) if patching
 on those platforms.. I can't test them, but i've included them to reach
 out to more gamer's platforms .. While CDRWIN doesn't exist for these
 platforms, there may be other CDRW programs that are compatible with
 the bin/cue standard. Good luck!

Oh yes, clearly I had zero interest in open/cross platform software, that's why I once went to the trouble of including PPF patcher binaries for Linux and MacOS-X. Though I subsequently did remove them given I couldn't much test on those platforms, and I knew there wasn't a CDRWIN for it. Since you had to get a BIN/CUE from a PC anyway, I later decided it was pointless, plus the backup plan for them was to just have downloaded the archive the group I was with already had made, and then you'd only have to worry about the burning aspect with whatever software worked well with your burner on Linux or Mac that supported BIN/CUE.

Now, I could spend some time filling in context and history on why I and many others did what they did with Goldenhawk's CDRWIN, why it was a preferred choice for some ~3 years (which is why you'll find several tech support guides instructing you on how to dump with it), but I'm not going to bother given your, you know, expert opinion on the software summarized with "shitty."

I think what most offends me with your comment is that you make the assumption I somehow knew of a better alternative back when I made this patch and started the whole idea of such a project, but I purposely chose not to use it to f*ck you worthless Linux zealots over. I was somehow obligated to you, to seek out this unknown cross-platform solution years ago, at the time? As if I had the resources, the desire to expend energy in this regard, or even the help? You actually have the effect of sealing my general opinion of Linux users.

Well, I am so deeply sorry I failed you - I'm sorry I had the utter audacity of using platform-dependent patching and burning solutions. Forgive me for those were the only solutions I knew of at the time and there was heavy investment in them with the group I was with - they taught me CDRWIN. Blame them if you must and spare me your wrath. Shucks, if only you were there to have led them in a different, more platform-independent direction, why, things might've worked out differently. Anyway, I'm also very sorry for preferring the PC platform and Microsoft over Linux, and for lacking the initiative to "think" more platform-indepedent mindedly in what I do. Really. Heh.

Wow.  You've sure got something up your ass.  It wasn't a personal attack on you; but rather a comment that Cdrdao is crippleware junk.  Lighten up a bit.

Actually, I did mention it to you, and I was quite polite.  Still didn't seem to matter for you, but seeing as you have the attention span of a gnat, I can see how it was easilly missed (the magical Google does not lie):
  http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:X14a9VQ1C40J:rigg.arrowsmash.com/mb/ikonboard.cgi%3Fact%3DNW%3Bf%3D7%3Bt%3D1257

As an FYI: I only suggested the move to Cdrdao or something else because I anticipated that Cdrwin would break for even Windows users.  Looks like the case.  And, I'm merely quoting what *you* said; that you had no interest in making it work.  Hey...  Would you look at that?  Not only do I mention the README (that you insist I had missed), but I even offer to make future patches for you that will be cross-platform compatible.  Seems you didn't care after all, judging by the response.  Not that I take it personally.  I just say it how it is.

Congrats on the shutdown of your piracy ring.