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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2012, 07:05:39 PM »
The PC-FX is pretty much only for people who can understand Japanese.  The Super Grafx is for anyone.

I don't own either, but I do plan on getting a Super Grafx some day.

but:

Zeroigar
Zenki
Chip Chan Kick
Ruruli Ra Rura

There is already 4 games that don't require Japanese language abilities.

Add in Power League FX, there's 5.

Nirgends, Last Imperial Prince, Boundary Gate.

Team Innocent.

Not so bad! more games than SGX
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2012, 07:13:39 PM »
Not so bad! more games than SGX

Tiger Game.Com had more games than SGX...

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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2012, 08:28:04 PM »
The PC-FX is pretty much only for people who can understand Japanese.  The Super Grafx is for anyone.

I don't own either, but I do plan on getting a Super Grafx some day.

but:

Zeroigar
Zenki
Chip Chan Kick
Ruruli Ra Rura

There is already 4 games that don't require Japanese language abilities.

Add in Power League FX, there's 5.

Nirgends, Last Imperial Prince, Boundary Gate.

Team Innocent.

Not so bad! more games than SGX

This whole "Japanese language" thing is not the reason the FX is borderline useless.

Take, for example, I don't know, JAPAN. Everyone there speaks Japanese and they all went with the Saturn or PS. The language only seems like a problem if you don't speak it and you get all hung up on not being able to speak it. Even if you CAN speak it a digital comic is still just clicking "A" over and over and again, and a game with upskirt shots of 11 years olds is still creepy.

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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2012, 11:03:19 PM »
I'd much rather own a SuperGrafx,  It has many, MANY more games that are actually somewhat appealing.  Almost 5 times as many appealing games.  I don't know what they were thinking with their plan for the PC-FX.  Instead of giving us a bunch of anime bullshit, they should have given us real videogames.  But that was back during the FMV fad and EVERYBODY had to get on board, I guess.

I'm willing to bet that Aaron's PC-FX video is 40 to 50 times better than the PC-FX itself.
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2012, 01:42:58 AM »
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2012, 02:46:51 AM »
The SGX just seems a safer choice. Either system is going to require a bit of a cash outlay for most people, so it's more comforting to know that an SGX can still be used to play regular PCE games if all else fails.

The PC-FX on the other hand, games for it are much harder to track down and really don't seem that appealing to me. Plus it's bulky & more expensive to ship and there's always the stress of how long the CD mechanism will last.

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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2012, 04:41:48 AM »
The PC-FX is pretty much only for people who can understand Japanese.  The Super Grafx is for anyone.

I don't own either, but I do plan on getting a Super Grafx some day.

but:

Zeroigar
Zenki
Chip Chan Kick
Ruruli Ra Rura

There is already 4 games that don't require Japanese language abilities.

Add in Power League FX, there's 5.

Nirgends, Last Imperial Prince, Boundary Gate.

Team Innocent.

Not so bad! more games than SGX

This whole "Japanese language" thing is not the reason the FX is borderline useless.

Take, for example, I don't know, JAPAN. Everyone there speaks Japanese and they all went with the Saturn or PS. The language only seems like a problem if you don't speak it and you get all hung up on not being able to speak it. Even if you CAN speak it a digital comic is still just clicking "A" over and over and again, and a game with upskirt shots of 11 years olds is still creepy.

Yeah, but we are just comparing the PCFX and SGX right now, lol. 


I'd much rather own a SuperGrafx,  It has many, MANY more games that are actually somewhat appealing.  Almost 5 times as many appealing games.  I don't know what they were thinking with their plan for the PC-FX.  Instead of giving us a bunch of anime bullshit, they should have given us real videogames.  But that was back during the FMV fad and EVERYBODY had to get on board, I guess.

I'm willing to bet that Aaron's PC-FX video is 40 to 50 times better than the PC-FX itself.

I hope you were just trying to be funny here, since I just named more games than the SGX that are worth playing on PC-FX
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2012, 04:57:38 AM »
The PC-FX is pretty much only for people who can understand Japanese.  The Super Grafx is for anyone.

I can understand that point of view, but I think technically the PC-FX still has more titles which don't require Japanese to be enjoyed... by a hair. I think people may be just a bit overwhelmed by the sheer number of games which they find to be completely unplayable. It's an issue of just buying those games which can be enjoyed then.
Battle Heat
Zenki
Chip Chan Kick
Zeroigar
Tengai Makyou
Queen of Queens
Rururi Rarura (though I'm not sure anyone can 'enjoy' this one)
Pia Carrot (with English patch)
Edit: Akazukin Chacha

Also, if you can tolerate missing out on the story the following are also possible:
Der Langrisser FX
Farland Story FX
Last Imperial Prince (with walkthrough)
Team Innocent (with walkthrough)
I'm pretty sure if they were translated into english we wouldn't be having this discussion. The language barrier (at least for me) is a big turn off and I'm sure there are others that feel the same way.

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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2012, 05:08:53 AM »
Some of the games mentioned require 0 Japanese.

Also, I didn't see that kazekirifx posted a list too.

the top 4 games on his list are all action games and require no reading.

Power League FX is sweet, and I hate baseball.
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2012, 05:16:59 AM »
This whole "Japanese language" thing is not the reason the FX is borderline useless.

Take, for example, I don't know, JAPAN. Everyone there speaks Japanese and they all went with the Saturn or PS. The language only seems like a problem if you don't speak it and you get all hung up on not being able to speak it. Even if you CAN speak it a digital comic is still just clicking "A" over and over and again, and a game with upskirt shots of 11 years olds is still creepy.

I know it'll be difficult, but try not to be a moron.  This discussion is about the SGX and its five games and the PC-FX and its library, and has been said many, many times: there's more to the PC-FX's library than digital comics.
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2012, 05:36:32 AM »
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Take, for example, I don't know, JAPAN. Everyone there speaks Japanese and they all went with the Saturn or PS. The language only seems like a problem if you don't speak it and you get all hung up on not being able to speak it. Even if you CAN speak it a digital comic is still just clicking "A" over and over and again, and a game with upskirt shots of 11 years olds is still creepy.

In North America everyone (who counts by this rationale) speaks English, and they went with the Genesis or SNES. I guess the Turbo library is just that terrible.

The PCE was a success in JAPAN, because of the types of games you don't like that the PC-FX library is full of. If the PCE stuck more to Western friendly games like the Mega Dive did, it would have done poorer like the Mega Drive. The Saturn and Playstation also have a huge amount of 11 year old rape sims, if they didn't, then the PC-FX likely would had done better.

It is creepy how dismissive people can be of Japanese-centric entertainment in comparison to good ole wholesome western-friendly entertainment.
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2012, 06:08:59 AM »
I don't think the problem is that it's Japanese-centric, it's that it's flat out bad entertainment, and SignOfZeta has a point. Japanese people rejected this stuff. Where's Policenaughts? Where's Sakura Taisen? Where's Dinosaur Island? Where's Machi? All of those are games in the same style as the one's people don't like on the PCFX, but the difference is that they're embraced by the fans as good.

On the PC-FX, Nirgends is OK, although extremely repetitive and coupled with a shitty flight simulator. First Kiss Monogatari is apparently a good dating sim, and the Can Can Bunny Extra and Welcome to Pia Carrot combo is a decent little hentai pack for the time. Most of the rest of the Japanese text-heavy gameplay-light stuff, though, is below par, at least as far as I know them.

EDIT: I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating: The one thing I keep seeing Japanese people write about in regard to the PC-FX is that it had no games that had anybody coming around saying "You've gotta see this!" back in the day.
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2012, 06:10:53 AM »
The Saturn and Playstation also have a huge amount of 11 year old rape sims, if they didn't, then the PC-FX likely would had done better.

But the Saturn & PlayStation are more censored, right? They should've brought Steam Hearts to the FX, now that would've been something, alright!
This reminds me of when I sat down to play EVE on the Saturn. There actually is a number of adult scenes in the game (was PC-98 game after all) but they didn't remove them completely, with enough "sound" left in to clear any doubts about what was going on. Felt rather odd, they should've just left it out completely, but then their story would've been a mess. Wait. It already was : |

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Perverted and possibly "sub-par" games or not, I just find the FX a lot more interesting than the SGX and given the choice, I know what I would pick. But I'm repeating myself.
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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2012, 07:01:41 AM »
The PCE was a success in JAPAN, because of the types of games you don't like that the PC-FX library is full of.

This just isn't true. If you look at the existence of the PCE as a whole, it started out hot and then lost mainstream appeal as time went on. Digital Comics didn't really take over until well into the Super Famicom era when the PCE was basically f*cked sales-wise. The PCE just got more ota-focused in order to keep existing. This is a good strategy at the end of a system's life, but no way to launch a new one.

Without question the reason the FX was designed the way it was is because they were designing a sequel to the PCE as it existed in 1994...but by that time it had basically become an overpriced digital comic machine for otaku shut-ins who wish girls had dicks so they could more easily relate. This was NEC just being stupid and, from what I can tell, operating more or less on their own. Hudson did release FIVE different full-on Bomberman games for SFC after all, as well as some Momotaro stuff and even Tengai Makyo Zero and didn't do much of anything for the FX. I like Yuna, but it wasn't what made the PCE and it wasn't going to propel a new machine into the future.

I like digital comics, btw, so don't take this so personally. I've cleared Sakura Wars 1-4 at least a half dozen times each, and I've beaten Yuna 1&2 and Tokimeki Memorial about as many times. I'm just saying that the Playstation and Saturn can and DID do everything the FX did, but they actually had Virtua Fighter and Ridge Racer and Panzer Dragoon and Street Fighter and KOF and shit like that. The FX just...didn't. While the library isn't exactly low quality, its INCREDIBLY inbred at the near total expense of any genre other than "wank". This is why it totally f*cking tanked and was marked down 10,000 yen almost overnight when the Playstation was still sometimes hard to find at any price.

When people think PCE they think:

Shooters (there is one on FX, and its not really so awesome)
Platformers (none on FX)
Bomberman (WTF, are these so hard to make? Hudson even make Mega Bomberman for MD and f*cking nobody bought that)
Strategy (Power Dolls is...OK, I guess, but why did Yuna 3 go to Saturn!?)
RPGs (these certainly do exist on PCE, but most are rather lightweight and uninspired. Most. Like high res PCE games, nice, but not exactly FFIV, DQ V, Romancing Saga, Chrono Trigger type stuff)
Digital Comics (even these, IMO, lack the originality of the PCE stuff)

Where is Devil's Crush, Ys, Castlevania, Gate of Thunder? f*ck, even Wonder Momo. How about the boring stuff that people forget even though it moves copies like Momotaro Dentetsu, horse racing sims, arcade ports and licensed sports games? There ain't jack shit.

This is why I said "its not about the language". It flopped in a place where the language was not an issue.

Also, the crack about pedophilia just being a cultural difference between the two countries is f*cking bullshit. Most Japanese think that shit is creepy as hell too, even if it is a lot more tolerated there, and its insulting to well adjusted Japanese to insinuate that jerking off to pictures of children is just another part of being Japanese like beaf bowls and kei cars. I'm not saying that the US doesn't have all sorts of f*cked up shit (its way more f*cked up, honestly. Wolf Creak? Law and Order SVU? All those fps arab killer games?) but it doesn't make masturbating to pictures of tied up 12 year olds whimpering any less FUKT than it is.

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Re: Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2012, 07:05:32 AM »
Ruruli Ra Rura is a platformer.

It's not a perfect game, but it aint bad.

There are a ton of FX strategy games.  Sparkling Feather is a good one.

so is Langrisser!

and, the Boundary Gate release for PCFX is better than the PSX one.  woo
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