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BigusSchmuck

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« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2012, 11:11:49 AM »
This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

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« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2012, 03:04:36 PM »
This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.


Sounds about right to me.
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« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2012, 04:10:53 PM »
This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.


Yes! totally agree. Plus games fluctuate so fast.
I really like video games...

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« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2012, 06:06:15 PM »
My deal is that I'm a big free market believer.

Yeah, that's pretty much the problem right there. Living in America we are indoctrinated from birth believe in the sacred infallible free market and ignore the obvious fact that a) there has never been such a thing and that b) it wouldn't regulate itself anyway.

Relating to point a): A free market, a truly free market, would allow for slavery, forced prostitution, nuclear arms sales, assassinations, and other such stuff. The market is regulated very heavily to make these things almost non-existent. It would also open the boarder between, for example, Mexico and the US eliminating what is essentially an economic apartheid and equalizing wages between the two countries. People actually being paid a fair wage? Brown people? We can't have that.

Related to point b) The "free market" of the 90s saw a huge explosion in popularity of 15MPG SUVs with the carbon footprint of a burning WalMart. In the end, that shit is going to cost us sums of money currently unimagined. A GMC Envoy was only $40,000 in 1997, but that's because they didn't include the cost of building dykes around New York City 50 years from now, the trillion dollars we spent failing to steel Iraq's oil, the ecological damaged caused by drilling, and dozens of other factors. And frankly, cars are barely even a problem compared to something the beef industry which causes ecological damage on a nearly Tolkien-esque scale just so Americans can stay fat for less money.

When I was in high school they told us that home ownership was so f*cking important and that you are better off having a house because property values will always go up. ALWAYS. Like f*cking magic people repeated that axiom. Economists want to believe so badly that their field is a science, but they are the least scientifically minded of all people because they work from the solution (ie: greed is good) and work backward from there to fill in the theory.

Well, I bought a house in 2009 for %50 less than it was worth in 1990, as did about a million other people. How's that magic money school of thought going now, eh?

When I hear someone who isn't worth at least a few hundred million dollars repeating the beliefs and "laws" of economics I don't know if I should laugh or cry. The system is only there so you won't question the truly well off. If they can make a single mother living in a trailer park working three jobs believe that she too could be as rich as Mitt Romney if only she worked harder, then their position is secure.

More on topic: I recently sold something on eBay for the first time in ages to discover that there are no longer insertion fees. That little thing ALONE is going to drive the prices up on this kind of shit enormously. This works great for eBay since now you (and everyone else) can ask whatever outrageous price you want for shit. Since eBay takes a fixed percentage, that just means more money for them. This isn't too different from what happened to the housing market. The price of housing is totally unrelated to the value of housing since only %2 of the US can actually buy a house with cash. Most people are limited by how much they can borrow. The banks decide what you can afford to borrow, but they also take a fixed percentage. Therefore, if they loan you more money, they get more money. It doesn't matter what you actually spend the money on.

I don't know if the 16-bit market will actually "crash" exactly, but it will reach a limit. The imminent disappearance of any form of physical media is right around the corner. That alone will be enough to make people fond of being able to actually own a physical copy of a game. At the same time, Magical Chase isn't going to increase at the same rate that it recently has. There just isn't enough money out there to keep the value that high.

Collectors are a hard group to understand or predict. One thing I collect besides games is Laserdisc. I'm constantly surprised to see "hardcore" collectors who never even had the stuff when it was current. What draws them to the format? One of the most hardcore collectors on LDDB.com has only been hoarding for 7 years. Its been about 10 years since the format died so...what on Earth led him to collect so many high priced discs so quickly?

SignOfZeta

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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2012, 06:09:44 PM »
Im a shameless profiteer when it comes to the region mod chips....

Pcb: $1.60
components: $1.50
bubble mailer: $0.75
shipping: $3.50
Royalties: $4.00

total cost: $11.35
Price: $18 shipped

I profit $6.65 a mod chip.

I am le gouger!

:D


Yeah, except you actually make that shit. You took some parts that are useless to most people here and made them into someone almost essential. Flipping a f*cking video game for profit is just parasitic.

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« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2012, 06:40:22 PM »
i agree, the modders here can basically charge what they want because the provide a service/feature that you could not get otherwise. yet they are reasonable because of thier support for the community. Its what makes this place so great.

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« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2012, 07:18:14 PM »
Negativity aside, this thread has been a great read. Interesting, enlightening and a little irritating but entertaining enough to persist with reading on.

I'm passionate about gaming, nothing will ever change that, that's all I need to know.

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« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2012, 08:24:30 PM »
Thanks for kicking ass all over the place like usual, Zeta.

If there's one thing I hate, it's "free market" mythology. Our tattered fragments of democracy and government regulation are the only things keeping us from serfdom. Talk to a real economist and they'll agree that the free market doesn't exist outside of the most dismal ninth-grade textbooks.

I'm constantly surprised to see "hardcore" collectors who never even had the stuff when it was current. What draws them to the format? One of the most hardcore collectors on LDDB.com has only been hoarding for 7 years. Its been about 10 years since the format died so...what on Earth led him to collect so many high priced discs so quickly?
Seriously. Go pillage somebody else's childhood.
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« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2012, 08:47:21 PM »
If you feel its pointless and stupid...why did you even post? 

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.


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« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2012, 12:16:44 AM »
This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

The whole point of a price list is so people don't overpay for something.  If I'm willing to pay for an item that I don't know the value of and realize later that I totally reamed myself, I would be fairly pissed.  That would never happen though since I do research first on what an "average" price would be.  Just because you feel an ABBA vinyl record is worth $500 doesn't mean that it really is.

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« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2012, 03:53:52 AM »
I know what you mean geise, but... I guess if you really want something now, you have to weigh up the price vs enjoyment or whatever.  Then despite the fact that you could have bought it cheaper, you were happy paying that at the time.  Hindsight's a bitch.

However for most people here, there's a lot of great games you can get, so say you see Soldier Blade for $50 and Blazing Lasers for $5.  The fact is, while Soldier Blade is AMAZING, it's not 10 times better than Blazing Lasers.  I'd consider the smart thing to do, would be buy Blasing Lasers for $5, and play that to keep you happy, and figure out over time how much SB fluctuates.

It took me 2 years to find Rainbow Islands for a price i was willing to pay (£30 rather than the usual ~£50) and it might take me as long again for Dracula X.

And don't forget, BIN prices aren't carved in stone.  I might be a pain in the ass, but it never hurts to ask: Recently I decided it was time to pick up Marchen Maze.  I've been watching for a while, so I know the prices, which do seem a tad high for the kind of game it is.  Then I see one selling for £19, which is close to the same as shipped from Japan, so I offered him £15.  It's clearly a decent offer, and about the limit to what I want to pay for it, so we made a deal.

the same when you see something in a bundle, half the people you ask won't split, but if you don't ask you don't get.  I got City Hunter for £15 like that, and Beavis and Butthead (gameboy) for £5, but I've also been turned down loads too.

And Zeta, thanks for an educational post.  You make a lot of sense.

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« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2012, 11:12:44 AM »

...Our tattered fragments of democracy and government regulation are the only things keeping us from serfdom...


Really?  Government regulation is keeping us from serfdom?  Actually it sure seems that government regulation is leading us into serfdom.

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« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2012, 08:48:14 AM »
oh boy....

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« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2012, 10:38:33 AM »
If you feel its pointless and stupid...why did you even post? 

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.


Hahaha I was going to post about this comment as well... I got as far as  "balls to that" then had a beer :P

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« Reply #74 on: August 12, 2012, 04:22:49 PM »
Im a shameless profiteer when it comes to the region mod chips....

Pcb: $1.60
components: $1.50
bubble mailer: $0.75
shipping: $3.50
Royalties: $4.00

total cost: $11.35
Price: $18 shipped

I profit $6.65 a mod chip.

I am le gouger!

:D


Yeah, except you actually make that shit. You took some parts that are useless to most people here and made them into someone almost essential. Flipping a f*cking video game for profit is just parasitic.

Oh I know.  I just figured I'd throw it out there as an example of a fair and acceptable way to make a profit.  I'm providing a service and a product that makes modding a system a lot easier and at the same time making a modest profit for myself.  Its win all around.   Now if corporations could figure that stuff out....
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