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DragonmasterDan

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 04:56:03 PM »
Wasn't Buster Bros. a 1993 release, not 1992?  Also, wasn't the CD version of Bonk 3 released in late 1994, and not along with the cart version in 1993?  Wikipedia lists those as you do there, but is certainly wrong about those.  Also weren't Fighting Street and Monster Lair released in 1989 along with the system, not in 1990?

Buster Bros might have been 1993, I think it was 1992 though.  The TurboGrafx CD didn't come out until a little ways into 1990, it did not come out at the same time as the core system. Nor did any of the games.


Ah, that makes sense.  It's just odd because I'd think the Japanese versions would be the originals, so why go in and put an earlier date in the US release?  Were they planning to release them in the US first for some reason or something?

Those two games were Japanese originals, some games like Shape Shifter were not. And some other games like Air Zonk actually came out here first though only by a month or two.

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You're right that it isn't, but are there any good sources for this information other than this forum?

Unfortunately, back then exact shipping dates weren't tracked very well. Games didn't really have "release dates" back then either. One of the first games I remember with a concrete release date was Sonic 2 for Genesis in 1992. So a lot of this information is based on recollection of when it shipped.

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Good point.  They announced lots of titles that never got anywhere... but still, changing the release year on the title screen then delaying it out of that year seems a little odd.  Oh well, it happened. :)

I'm pretty sure if it was changed it was changed when the English version was created by the developer. I know Godzilla is missing some of the mini-games for example, so the US version isn't exactly the same as the final Japanese one. It might have actually been finished earlier as it came from an earlier build.
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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2012, 06:14:44 PM »
Damn, poor 1991 for original CD owners.  Get that awesome new hardware and...  not much of anything.  Things got back on track after that at least!

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2012, 06:38:00 PM »
What was the last TurboGrafx Game on HuCard & CD??

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2012, 06:42:59 PM »
Wasn't Buster Bros. a 1993 release, not 1992?  Also, wasn't the CD version of Bonk 3 released in late 1994, and not along with the cart version in 1993?  Wikipedia lists those as you do there, but is certainly wrong about those.  Also weren't Fighting Street and Monster Lair released in 1989 along with the system, not in 1990?


Buster Bros might have been 1993, I think it was 1992 though.

The title screen and box say 1993, certainly.  Dates can be too low (such as those 1994 games dated 1993), but I've never heard of a game which says one year but actually was released earlier...

Here's some more evidence for 1993: http://archives.tg-16.com/archive-four/TF-03-28.jpg

Also, you didn't mention Bonk 3 CD.  Wasn't that only released by TZD, at the end of '94?

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The TurboGrafx CD didn't come out until a little ways into 1990, it did not come out at the same time as the core system. Nor did any of the games.

Oh, really?  I see that Wikipedia says that too, but I know I've read 1989 before.  Is there proof for the 1990 date, form magazines and such?  And yeah, I knew it didn't come out at the same time as the main system, but the main system was August; I thought it was at the end of the year.  Fighting Street and Monster Lair are both dated to 1989 in their US packaging and title screens, while all those other 1990 titles you mentioned are dated 1990.  I mean, you could be right, but there is a clear difference between those two games and the other releases.  Fighting Street was a 1988 release in Japan too, so it doesn't have anything to do with their release dates there either.  Monster Lair was 1989 there though.


Ah, that makes sense.  It's just odd because I'd think the Japanese versions would be the originals, so why go in and put an earlier date in the US release?  Were they planning to release them in the US first for some reason or something?


Those two games were Japanese originals, some games like Shape Shifter were not. And some other games like Air Zonk actually came out here first though only by a month or two.[/quote]
Huh, I didn't know Air Zonk came out here first.  Interesting.  They were pushing Bonk and Zonk a lot though, so if they were going to do it with anything it does make sense that it'd be that.

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You're right that it isn't, but are there any good sources for this information other than this forum?


Unfortunately, back then exact shipping dates weren't tracked very well. Games didn't really have "release dates" back then either. One of the first games I remember with a concrete release date was Sonic 2 for Genesis in 1992. So a lot of this information is based on recollection of when it shipped.

Sure, but TG16 dates seem even sketchier than most SNES or Genesis games.  The system didn't do nearly as well, so there's a lot less info out there about when the games actually released...

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Good point.  They announced lots of titles that never got anywhere... but still, changing the release year on the title screen then delaying it out of that year seems a little odd.  Oh well, it happened. :)


I'm pretty sure if it was changed it was changed when the English version was created by the developer. I know Godzilla is missing some of the mini-games for example, so the US version isn't exactly the same as the final Japanese one. It might have actually been finished earlier as it came from an earlier build.

That definitely could be.
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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2012, 07:02:05 PM »
What was the last TurboGrafx Game on HuCard & CD??
It might have been Bonk 3 CD and Magical Chase but I"m not so sure on that. I do know Dead of the Brain 1 and 2 was the last offical PC engine CD game released though...

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2012, 08:04:03 PM »
From what I've read, wasn't Bonk 3 August 94 and Magical Chase July 94?

Those were both released in late 1993. Those dates were derived from the TTI mailing list. Unfortunately, getting exact dates or even months is going to be pretty hard.

I know it, I must have been thinking in other thing, thanks for the correction.

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2012, 03:07:15 AM »

The title screen and box say 1993, certainly.  Dates can be too low (such as those 1994 games dated 1993), but I've never heard of a game which says one year but actually was released earlier.

I checked my Buster Bros last night and changed it to 1993.


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Oh, really?  I see that Wikipedia says that too, but I know I've read 1989 before.  Is there proof for the 1990 date, form magazines and such?  And yeah, I knew it didn't come out at the same time as the main system, but the main system was August; I thought it was at the end of the year.  Fighting Street and Monster Lair are both dated to 1989 in their US packaging and title screens, while all those other 1990 titles you mentioned are dated 1990.  I mean, you could be right, but there is a clear difference between those two games and the other releases.  Fighting Street was a 1988 release in Japan too, so it doesn't have anything to do with their release dates there either.  Monster Lair was 1989 there though.

The CD and the games came out in the US in 1990. As far as evidence, there was an episode of Computer Chronicles from Summer 1990 where they showed the Turbo CD off as either having just come out or about to come out.


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Sure, but TG16 dates seem even sketchier than most SNES or Genesis games.  The system didn't do nearly as well, so there's a lot less info out there about when the games actually released...

Most SNES and Genesis games didn't have proper release dates either, But with that said SOME did which was a first in the US for game releases. Stuff like Sonic 2, Flashback, Mortal Kombat had actual proper street dates because there were promotions tied to those games launches.
 
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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2012, 10:08:58 AM »
TurboGrafx CD and Super CD release list. This isn't final I may be missing a few.

1990
Fighting Street
Final Zone II
Jack Nicklaus Turbo Golf
Last Alert
Magical Dinosaur Tour
Monster Lair
Valis II
Ys Book I and II

1991
Addams Family
J.B. HAROLD MURDER CLUB
Sherlock Holmes Consulting detective
Ys 3

1992
Cosmic Fantasy II
Dragon Slayer: Legend of Heroes
Exile
Forgotten Worlds
Gate of Thunder
It came from beneath the desert
Lords of the Rising Sun
Loom
Prince of Persia
Riot Zone
Shadow of the Beast
Shape Shifter
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume II
Splash Lake
Valis III

1993
Beyond Shadowgate
Bonk 3 CD
Buster Bros
Camp California
Cotton
Dungeon Explorer II
Dungeon Master: Therons Quest
Exile: Wicked Phenomenon
John Madden Duo Football
Lords of Thunder
Might and Magic III
Sim Earth
Super Air Zonk
Syd Mead's Terraforming
Vasteel

1994:
Dynastic Hero
Godzilla


OK, so far, how do you feel about this list (and the earlier HuCard list)?

I will be using your lists, I think, since you seem to be making adjustments to them based on evidence (when it is sufficient).

Anyone else, please feel free to chime in with your thoughts (and evidence) on these release dates.

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2012, 11:33:39 AM »


OK, so far, how do you feel about this list (and the earlier HuCard list)?

I will be using your lists, I think, since you seem to be making adjustments to them based on evidence (when it is sufficient).

Anyone else, please feel free to chime in with your thoughts (and evidence) on these release dates.




They're both pretty accurate, I haven't gone through and consulted every title screen or manual but I think this is pretty close to accurate. With that said, yes I have done some adjustments based on evidence or better information.
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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2012, 01:41:31 PM »
I'll help with this. I started compiling release date information in March and got sidetracked. We're unlikely to find many definitive dates, so it would be best to compile as much information as possible and present all of the sources for each game, letting people draw their own conclusions. Cross referencing serial numbers, game and manual copyrights, official mailings, ads, and magazine reviews should give us a decent picture.

Jayamine presented some TZD release dates that supposedly came from Steve here:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11038.msg206449#msg206449
I'm inclined to take these as a credible source.

Some of the games were canceled, but the Club Duo Catalog is a good place to start for '93 dates:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10984.0
The dates for hucards in particular haven't been refuted by anything else I've even seen.


They're both pretty accurate, I haven't gone through and consulted every title screen or manual but I think this is pretty close to accurate.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the list?

I collected the copyrights and serial numbers from 79 of the U.S. games and manuals before I ran out of steam. Generally the dates on software and manuals match, but occasionally the manual supersedes the software (makes sense that they would wait to finish the manual until after the programming is complete. There are a couple of exceptions like Exile and TV Sports Basketball where the software was finished after the manual. Either way, manuals with different dates are a good indication of 1st- and 4th-quater releases.

My information contradicts your dates on a handful of games, I'll post an update later.
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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2012, 01:52:23 PM »
What was the last TurboGrafx Game on HuCard & CD??
It might have been Bonk 3 CD and Magical Chase but I"m not so sure on that. I do know Dead of the Brain 1 and 2 was the last offical PC engine CD game released though...
Yeah, according to Jayamine's info from Steve TZD, Bonk 3 was the last U.S. SCD.

I'd say that Bonk 3 was also the last hucard, judging by its unique packaging design and the fact that it was the last Turbochip scheduled in the '93 Club Duo catalog that wasn't canceled.

The last CD-ROM2 was probably Terraforming.
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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2012, 03:20:29 PM »
Unfortunately, back then exact shipping dates weren't tracked very well. Games didn't really have "release dates" back then either. One of the first games I remember with a concrete release date was Sonic 2 for Genesis in 1992. So a lot of this information is based on recollection of when it shipped.

Heh, last week I was recording an episode of the as-yet-unreleased successor to my old podcast, Game Face Radio, and I said something almost exactly identical to what you just wrote there. I specifically mentioned "Sonic Twosday". Crazy.

I also remember, "Mortal Monday".

Back then I remember these as being unique since I was always hearing about how Dragon Quest release dates were such a huge deal in Japan and how here in the US you rarely knew when a game was coming out until it was actually at the store. Some stores wouldn't get games until months after other stores.

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2012, 06:44:16 PM »

The title screen and box say 1993, certainly.  Dates can be too low (such as those 1994 games dated 1993), but I've never heard of a game which says one year but actually was released earlier.


I checked my Buster Bros last night and changed it to 1993.

I'm still wondering why you're sticking with 1993 for Bonk 3 CD.  Was there actually a CD release of that game in 1993?  Can you prove it?

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Oh, really?  I see that Wikipedia says that too, but I know I've read 1989 before.  Is there proof for the 1990 date, form magazines and such?  And yeah, I knew it didn't come out at the same time as the main system, but the main system was August; I thought it was at the end of the year.  Fighting Street and Monster Lair are both dated to 1989 in their US packaging and title screens, while all those other 1990 titles you mentioned are dated 1990.  I mean, you could be right, but there is a clear difference between those two games and the other releases.  Fighting Street was a 1988 release in Japan too, so it doesn't have anything to do with their release dates there either.  Monster Lair was 1989 there though.


The CD and the games came out in the US in 1990. As far as evidence, there was an episode of Computer Chronicles from Summer 1990 where they showed the Turbo CD off as either having just come out or about to come out.

Really? Huh... very interesting.  Any further proof for this?  Because those 1989 dates in the two launch titles certainly suggests that it was supposed to be out in '89 at least...

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Sure, but TG16 dates seem even sketchier than most SNES or Genesis games.  The system didn't do nearly as well, so there's a lot less info out there about when the games actually released...


Most SNES and Genesis games didn't have proper release dates either, But with that said SOME did which was a first in the US for game releases. Stuff like Sonic 2, Flashback, Mortal Kombat had actual proper street dates because there were promotions tied to those games launches.

At least with other consoles you can almost always trust the year listed on the box and title screen to be correct.

What was the last TurboGrafx Game on HuCard & CD??

It might have been Bonk 3 CD and Magical Chase but I"m not so sure on that. I do know Dead of the Brain 1 and 2 was the last offical PC engine CD game released though...

Yeah, according to Jayamine's info from Steve TZD, Bonk 3 was the last U.S. SCD.

I'd say that Bonk 3 was also the last hucard, judging by its unique packaging design and the fact that it was the last Turbochip scheduled in the '93 Club Duo catalog that wasn't canceled.

The last CD-ROM2 was probably Terraforming.

Yeah, I agree on all three counts, Terraforming for regular CD (though they advertised it as a Super CD of course, it's just Super CD enhanced and works on regular), Bonk 3 for HuCard (could be Magical Chase or Bomberman '93, but it's probably Bonk 3), and Bonk 3 for Super CD.

I'll help with this. I started compiling release date information in March and got sidetracked. We're unlikely to find many definitive dates, so it would be best to compile as much information as possible and present all of the sources for each game, letting people draw their own conclusions. Cross referencing serial numbers, game and manual copyrights, official mailings, ads, and magazine reviews should give us a decent picture.

Jayamine presented some TZD release dates that supposedly came from Steve here:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11038.msg206449#msg206449
I'm inclined to take these as a credible source.

Huh, those dates are interesting... so are those games that had previously been released by TTI too, or were those first releases?  I mean, I thought Super Air Zonk was a 1993 game for sure... I've heard before that Bonk 3 CD wasn't actually released until that Dec 1994 date, and that Godzilla was (probably spring or so) '94, but not those other two.

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Some of the games were canceled, but the Club Duo Catalog is a good place to start for '93 dates:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10984.0
The dates for hucards in particular haven't been refuted by anything else I've even seen.


They're both pretty accurate, I haven't gone through and consulted every title screen or manual but I think this is pretty close to accurate.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the list?

I collected the copyrights and serial numbers from 79 of the U.S. games and manuals before I ran out of steam. Generally the dates on software and manuals match, but occasionally the manual supersedes the software (makes sense that they would wait to finish the manual until after the programming is complete. There are a couple of exceptions like Exile and TV Sports Basketball where the software was finished after the manual. Either way, manuals with different dates are a good indication of 1st- and 4th-quater releases.

My information contradicts your dates on a handful of games, I'll post an update later.

What games have these different dates in their manuals?  Can you check?

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2012, 09:09:28 PM »
There is absolutely positively no way that Magical Chase was the last Turbochip. I know people want to suggest that because it ads mystique to an already massively hyped to hell game, but its just not the case.

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Re: HELP: Sloppy & Precise Release Dates for North American software
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2012, 01:15:46 AM »

I'm still wondering why you're sticking with 1993 for Bonk 3 CD.  Was there actually a CD release of that game in 1993?  Can you prove it?

We're not able to prove a lot of this information. In that case the manual DOES say 1993 on it. It could have been released in 1994 as well. There's no way to prove a lot of this.

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Really? Huh... very interesting.  Any further proof for this?  Because those 1989 dates in the two launch titles certainly suggests that it was supposed to be out in '89 at least...

I think it at one point it was supposed to be out in 1989. I also remember reading about how when it came out there was only 3-4 games for quite a few months. I've read multiple news articles about its release, it definitely came out in 1990, not 1989.

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