Because in some fit of rage you keep editing this post, so I am just going to quote two versions of it:
Haha that plastic supergun is the very first one I built and no I never tried to sell it. I later redid the whole thing in a proper black case like the ones below. I have a friend who spent 400+$ on one of those "SOLID SUPERGUN WORK" looking superguns and it didn't work with a number of pcbs. His ketsui arcade board was outputting completely messed up colours even from the rgb connections on the supergun. He plugged the ketsui board into his new astro city and it looked fine on the cab. Here's what ketsui looks like from my "bad modwork" supergun:
Also plenty of people hire me so I must be doing something right. I'd like to see you build a proper working true s-video nes. The guy I built that nes 2 for he's on my windows live, he's had the system for years and never complained about any issues with the jacks. I'm always sure to use enough glue so stuff won't come out. My capture device and a lot of stuff I built for myself has jacks simply glued in place and they've held for years and never even came close to getting loose in any way. My capture device I'm constantly unplugging and re-inserting cables, all the ports are solid as a rock. I always test out ideas on my own hardware before offering it for sale. Also lately I've improved on my s-video hole drilling:
I didn't make that rgb / s-video toaster nes have as nice of a s-video jack because 1: I didn't have the time I'm way backed up on my commission work and 2: it's at the back of the console so the client didn't care. Once I found the time to improve my hole drilling I did like in the picture above which is a system I built afterwards. That 32x again is my personal system I don't sell stuff like that. You posted a lot of my personal / early mods which were never offered for sale. If people want to judge my work for some quick thing I built for myself then go right ahead. I suggest you do your homework first and if you post something that was never intended for sale as "bad modwork" then you should mention that the example was never intended for sale and it was meant to be built as quickly and cheaply as possible just for proof of concept. That example of "sloppy dremel and label work" was done by someone who used to be my friend. He installed those switches as cheaply and quickly as he could on his 10$ snes just so he could test his amazingly professional looking superfx reproduction carts (he had a lot of pal customers so he needed to test that the lockout chips were functioning).
What bothers me the most is that you consider "quality work" only by how well the jacks are installed. It's not like there isn't already enough jack installation nazis roaming around the internet already. Circuit design, build quality, and proper installation make a huge different too. You like to use a toaster I built as an example of "bad work" because one jack on the back of the console looks ugly. Of course you never take into consideration that clients come to me because my systems have better video and audio quality than other people who do / did this mod.
The truth of the matter is that you wouldn't know what good modwork is if it were sitting right infront of you simply because it has one ugly looking jack installation somewhere on the back of the console.
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For the record this early supergun which was never for sale:
Got a new case and built into this:
Even the current case I know I could do better but since this was only meant for personal use I didn't feel the need to make it look pretty so professornomoddingskills would approve.
I'm making this post so "new guys" won't be mislead by ProfessorProfessorson into thinking that good modwork is 100% judged by how pretty the case and ports look. Obviously in ProfessorProfessorson's world functionality has nothing to do with good modwork.
ANDHaha that plastic supergun is the very first one I built and no I never tried to sell it. I later redid the whole thing in a proper black case like the ones below. I have a friend who spent 400+$ on one of those "SOLID SUPERGUN WORK" looking superguns and it didn't work with a number of pcbs. His ketsui arcade board was outputting completely messed up colours even from the rgb connections on the supergun. He plugged the ketsui board into his new astro city and it looked fine on the cab. Here's what ketsui looks like from my "bad modwork" supergun:
Also plenty of people hire me so I must be doing something right. I'd like to see you build a proper working true s-video nes. The guy I built that nes 2 for he's on my windows live, he's had the system for years and never complained about any issues with the jacks. I'm always sure to use enough glue so stuff won't come out. My capture device and a lot of stuff I built for myself has jacks simply glued in place and they've held for years and never even came close to getting loose in any way. My capture device I'm constantly unplugging and re-inserting cables, all the ports are solid as a rock. I always test out ideas on my own hardware before offering it for sale. Also lately I've improved on my s-video hole drilling:
I didn't make that rgb / s-video toaster nes have as nice of a s-video jack because 1: I didn't have the time I'm way backed up on my commission work and 2: it's at the back of the console so the client didn't care. Once I found the time to improve my hole drilling I did like in the picture above which is a system I built afterwards. That 32x again is my personal system I don't sell stuff like that. You posted a lot of my personal / early mods which were never offered for sale. If people want to judge my work for some quick thing I built for myself then go right ahead. I suggest you do your homework first and if you post something that was never intended for sale as "bad modwork" then you should mention that the example was never intended for sale and it was meant to be built as quickly and cheaply as possible just for proof of concept. That example of "sloppy dremel and label work" was done by someone who used to be my friend. He installed those switches as cheaply and quickly as he could on his 10$ snes just so he could test his amazingly professional looking superfx reproduction carts (he had a lot of pal customers so he needed to test that the lockout chips were functioning).
What bothers me the most is that you consider "quality work" only by how well the jacks are installed. It's not like there isn't already enough jack installation nazis roaming around the internet already. Circuit design, build quality, and proper installation make a huge different too. You like to use a toaster I built as an example of "bad work" because one jack on the back of the console looks ugly. Of course you never take into consideration that clients come to me because my systems have better video and audio quality than other people who do / did this mod.
The truth of the matter is that you wouldn't know what good modwork is if it were sitting right infront of you simply because it has one ugly looking jack installation somewhere on the back of the console.
I'm not sure what all you are implying here. Are you saying a lot of the bad work examples are from your own work? Which ones? All of them but Deans Supergun I fixed? A lot of it shows up on google images during searches. If so then I'm sorry, but shoddy work is shoddy work. I did not say that all of the work on said system was shoddy, but pointed out specific shoddy parts, and I went into detail as to why. Even if its for your own personal use, I am not discriminating, nor did I mention you by name in the examples. I needed pics of bad work to use as a example, and searched google. The images above were pulled off of Google. If you have pics of
shoddy circuit boards you'd like to
contribute along with pics of
good ones to compare to, please be my guest, however, this thread is not for a pissing match so that you can feel you saved face somehow. If you'd paid any kind of attention to the original post, you'd see its been edited, because it is a WIP to share information. Also, I would like to address this:
What bothers me the most is that you consider "quality work" only by how well the jacks are installed. Circuit design, build quality, and proper installation make a huge different too. You like to use a toaster I built as an example of "bad work" because one jack on the back of the console looks ugly. Of course you never take into consideration that clients come to me because my systems have better video and audio quality than other people who do / did this mod.
andThe truth of the matter is that you wouldn't know what good modwork is if it were sitting right infront of you simply because it has one ugly looking jack installation somewhere on the back of the console.
andI'm making this post so "new guys" won't be mislead by ProfessorProfessorson into thinking that good modwork is 100% judged by how pretty the case and ports look. Obviously in ProfessorProfessorson's world functionality has nothing to do with good modwork.
As stated above, the original post is a WIP for hints and tips for people
STARTING OUT. Circuit board work needs to be addressed, as does proper ways to line out wiring, though to be frank people just starting out are not likely to just start doing circuit board work, on breadboards or otherwise. One thing at a time. Also, I'm one person here, people are more then free to contribute, so instead of feeling like you were put on the spot, when you weren't, and bitching about it like a hurt little girl doing a massive rant, help out maybe? Instead of taking a giant shit on this thread, simply stfu then if you have nothing to contribute.
I already tried to coax you once into doing when you were bitching on the s-video thread, and your reply to that was:I don't feel the need you can just google it.
To be perfectly blunt, if you did want to get to the brass tacks of it, the exterior look of a mod
can be reflective on the work done on the inside.
I NEVER EVER SAID IT WAS THE DEFINING FACTOR IN TOTAL QUALITY, SO STOP SAYING I SAID SHIT I NEVER SAID. Clean work tends to show ones pride in what he/she does. Sloppy work usually is not something someone wants to go around bragging about. If one cant seem to get the jacks and switches right, the simple shit in other words, can he be expected to do other solid work on the much harder things? In most cases the work in general would just be bad. If someone is paying
me good money to do a job, I would be concerned about doing a solid job all the way around, not just on certain parts, then throwing my hands up in the air near the end and saying "oh f*cking well, almost done, doesn't have to be perfect, can look like crap as long as its done and out the door.". And don't get me wrong, started out on this stuff long ago, I made mistakes and screw ups too, its called learning, and due to that when I do work now its quality work. Were talking about 16+ years worth of experience built up here. Everyone learns as they go.
Also I am not sure why you'd imply I couldn't pull off a Nes s-video mod, taking another personal jab at my mod ability simply because I posted pics of some bad work that happened to be yours. I have done a lot harder work then Nes modding over the years. Not just system mods, but I repair computer parts, reflow motherboards, etc, built countless superguns (no I didn't cheap out and use that Vogatek Supergun shit as my basis). Replacing the Nes PPU itself would be the only task, and not because of the work, I have desoldered and resolderd chips and surface mount stuff a lot, and also have built plenty of circuit boards for repairs and mods. The issue rather would be due to the cost of finding a Playchoice board to scrap, and I don't scrap arcade equipment like that. Consider it a moral choice if you will, but all the same I don't do things like that, just like how I don't sack AES and MVS carts to do cart conversions. I would rather repair then sack rare arcade equipment. Coming from someone who used to collect and repair arcade equipment, I frown on that sort of thing.
I am not going to get into a pissing match about who has what customer base, etc. I turn down peoples inquiries (just turned down Bernie and Firebombers latest inquire). I no longer do work for people because I barely have enough free time for my kids and myself after handling computer sales restoring classic computers (which I might add pays a lot more then mod work
). You are over reacting over stupid shit, taking things personally when you were not even mentioned on this thread. Basically no one would have known said bad work was yours except for the fact you exposed yourself by admitting it was yours and having a hissyfit because it was used as a example. Like I said, either help, or gtfo. You got fighting street, you want to go bitch about how you feel you were insulted somehow, go do it there. Dont try to make this thread about you, because its not, and dont try to drag it down because you somehow feel humiliated.
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