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« on: January 27, 2006, 07:03:30 PM »
Has anyone played the PC Engine version?  I think it's all in Japanese so I'm out of luck but how does it compare to other versions on other systems like the Sega CD?

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2006, 11:29:57 PM »
I have the Engine version and I kinda got stuck due to the Japanese. Not played any other version so I couldn't compare.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2006, 02:27:16 AM »
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Has anyone played the PC Engine version?  I think it's all in Japanese so I'm out of luck but how does it compare to other versions on other systems like the Sega CD?


I've played through the segacd and msx versions only. The the pce version was the first to have the Act 3 and voice acting. It was considered a directors cut, but the differences between the pce vs sega cd are just the perverted scenes. I remember in the pce version, Gillian could find a porno tape, but this tape isn't available in the sega cd.

The msx version was translated in english by fans, but I would only consider playing this version after you finish the sega cd. The msx version was a port of the PC88 and its code was not optimized for loading speed. So it takes forever just the load the next scene, but played through it and I loved it. Act 2 is just the best.

The saturn and psx version are total crap compared to the pce or sega cd.

Snatcher was released on the PC88, MSX, PC-Engine, Sega CD, Saturn, PSX.

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2006, 07:31:36 AM »
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Has anyone played the PC Engine version?  I think it's all in Japanese so I'm out of luck but how does it compare to other versions on other systems like the Sega CD?
There was a thread that went into details about some of the differences. I think Black_Tiger participated, since he digs the game. That + Rolins comments will give you a very good idea of how PCE version compares to the others.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2006, 03:38:29 PM »
I've been curious to play the PCE version for awhile now, since I loved the Sega CD one. What I am most curious about is how the PSG sounds in the PCE version. Most people don't like it as much, but I love PSG so I might dig it more.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2006, 04:28:55 PM »
Thanks guys for the info.  Just curious but I know the Sega CD has the option of the gun?  Do you need it?  or was it just an added feature to enhance gameplay.  I don't think the PCE version had this gun support.  I don't think a gun controller was ever released for PCE but I could be wrong.

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2006, 04:34:57 PM »
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Has anyone played the PC Engine version?  I think it's all in Japanese so I'm out of luck but how does it compare to other versions on other systems like the Sega CD?


Just want to add that you if can't read japanese, getting the pce version isn't worth buying unless your're collecter/fan. On the other hand it's cheaper than the sega cd.

You can try and play though it if you want. Just randomly select commands until the story progresses, which I have been doing for several years while playing Policenauts in japanese.

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Thanks guys for the info. Just curious but I know the Sega CD has the option of the gun? Do you need it? or was it just an added feature to enhance gameplay. I don't think the PCE version had this gun support. I don't think a gun controller was ever released for PCE but I could be wrong.


The gun for the sega cd is purely optional, but exclusive to this port. The pce never had this feature

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2006, 05:05:59 PM »
Isn't the Act 3 system in the PCE version automatic where you just sit and watch the computer kill the enemies?
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2006, 05:11:35 PM »
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Isn't the Act 3 system in the PCE version automatic where you just sit and watch the computer kill the enemies?


Maybe, of course I've never played thru the entire pce version before. I do remember reading that Act 3 on the sega cd was more interactive than the pce. In Act 3 on the sega cd version, you had to kill the enemies yourself. So you might be right.

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2006, 05:58:10 AM »
Act 3 on PCE is just an hour or so of cinema after walking through a few rooms. In the Sega CD version, they added a couple of fights/shooting scenes, where you finally fight some Snatchers for real.

A lot of graphics in the Sega CD version have been redrawn or touched up. In my personal opinion, most of the redrawn art doesn't look as nice and most of it was used for the Saturn & PSX versions.

I love both versions because they're both good games for what they are(I don't play too many digital comics). But I really prefer the PCE version and yes, I am biased.

I played the PCE game for years before the Sega CD version.  The Sega CD is a nice tech demo for the Sega CD since they managed to get it display almost as many colors on screen as the PCE version.

But to me, its like playing a PS2 version of a game, with a few slight graphical flaws, in regular res compared to playing the Xbox version of the same game in 480p.

The PCE version just looks cleaner and more vibrant. Same with the sound. I love the PSG music and the Sega CD music is still good but sounds too wavy for me. But its very Genesis sounding and the PCE music sounds very PCE, so if you're a fan of either's "chip" generated music you'll be happy.

There are little things too, like the voice effect at the targeting range. The human heads have a cool over the top howl when shot in the PCE game. In the Sega CD game you get one of the Turbo CD Valis III actors sayoing "OUCH!". And from what I remember the blaster effect sounds better and cleaner in the PCE version.

Now, I've been a hardcore fan of cartoons and animation my whole life. When I was younger, I'd scour over TV channels looking for anything animated. After highschool I took a full "classicical" animation course and am qualified to do proffessional animation work(and have done some minor work).

I don't come down too hard on voice acting in games, especially when they're smaller budget. And I can really appreciate the cheezy middle ground between quality, properly directed acting and lowsy poor acting(like the awesome Fist Of The North Star). I think Space Adventure Cobra has some of the best writing and acting around.

But I really disliked the acting in the Sega CD version for the most part. I know everyone(game mag writers) seems to love it and I know that I'm going to get flamed for saying anything so sacreligious, like suggesting that Working Designs was infallible in anyway.

Now, the acting itself isn't all that bad. But we do get some Valis II Magus performances. The worst part for me was the actual voices. In the PCE version, Gillian has the most masculine voice you'll ever hear aside from MAOU GARP in Fuun Kabuki Den.  And as if a polar opposite, Gillian in the Sega CD version has the most nerdy-geeky-cheezy-Rogless-from Valis III + Haizen The Ruthless from Valis II voice.

And what really kills me, is I clearly remember(what I said) on the day I was talking to a friend before the Sega CD version was released. We had just played some kind of game, I believe that it was an arcade and by Konami, but it had awful white-washed 1950's Leave It To Beaver style sitcom acting. And I said to my friend, "I hope to god they don't do that to the Sega CD version of Snatcher, imagine if they gave Gillian a voice like that?".

And when it finally came out I was so shocked that they so perfectly captured that awful wimp-wuss voice. And although I don't expect them to get one of the few decent high-pitched english voice actress' to voice "Metal", a queer old man voice is unacceptible. They should've just given it a different personallity or something.

The last part I was dissapointed with was some of the dialogue. However, a lot of the acting and dialogue is acceptible and overall its really just a mixed bag.

But some scenes were so misguidely done, that it winds up being hilarious(just like Fist Of The North Star). When Gillian "accidently" opens the shower door on the wet-naked 13 year old girl, instead of being shocked and embarressed like the PCE version, instead he screams "Woah-ho-huh-hoo!!!!!", straight out of a Porky's movie.

The crap voice trade-off is worth it just for awful scenes like that.

Otherwise, most people have already heard about the scene involving a PC Engine + CD ROM being replaced by a Sega CD combo(I won't ruin the game for you with spoilers, other than getting to see little girls in the shower).

The other noticible difference in a cinema is when 'something' happens and Gillian ends up running behind Random Hagile's bike with his tie caught in it and the other version has Gillian hanging onto the back end of the bike. I don't remember which belongs to which version, but the tie gag was too comical for me(I think that its in the PCE version).

And lastly, I almost forgot to mention that the Sega CD version is compatible with Konami's Lethal Enforcers light gun(I bought it just to get the gun for Snatcher) and is utterly useless.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2006, 06:43:44 AM »
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The last part I was dissapointed with was some of the dialogue. However, a lot of the acting and dialogue is acceptible and overall its really just a mixed bag.


Mixed bag? I guess, but you can't argue that dialogue was done very well. Especially since Snatcher is hard to translate as some of the jokes are a part of Japanese culture.

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The other noticible difference in a cinema is when 'something' happens and Gillian ends up running behind Random Hagile's bike with his tie caught in it and the other version has Gillian hanging onto the back end of the bike. I don't remember which belongs to which version, but the tie gag was too comical for me(I think that its in the PCE version).


This scene I know is in the msx2 version. It happens when Gillian jumps out of the tricycle as it explodes.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2006, 07:32:00 AM »
The other thing that I forgot to mention is that the Sega CD version has an extra cinema intro based on the short comic/manga in the PCE version's manual.
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2006, 08:33:27 AM »
Alright, judge for yourself if this is the best voice acting in an english video game. These do contain spoilers, so you've ben warned-
http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/snatcher1.mp3

http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/snatcher2.mp3

http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/snatcher3.mp3

http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/snatcher4.mp3


And if you're curious about what the PC Engine acting sounds like, here's that last track in japanese-
http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/snatcher5.mp3


I won't say its awful and I'll take an english version of a decent game in any form, so I appreciate it a lot. But this is another overhyped game(voice wise).
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2006, 09:27:00 AM »
Maybe the voice acting in US-version of Snatcher isn't the best voice acting ever, but it's not bad, frankly I think it's really good. The splendid work of the actors is partly the reason why I love Snatcher as much as I do...

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2006, 03:24:18 PM »
Thanks a lot for the post, Black_Tiger; it was really great to read, I've never read any other pro-PCE version thoughts on the game really and you specified information that no other source I have read has mentioned. I can agree with you somewhat on the voice acting. A lot of voices are on the cheesy side, but I love cheesy voice acting :D , but the actors don't do a flat out terrible job as if they sounded like they were reading straight from the script, like in say Ys III. I thought it was a decent voice acting job overal, but certainly not the best.

Do you have links for music from each one available? I thought you might have posted them before in another thread, so I'll do a search for that right after this and repost them if I find them. If not, if anyone has some, please post!
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