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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2012, 10:03:15 AM »
Exactly my thoughts.  The concept of the game is great, the graphics are nice, everything about the game is good....except the control.  That kills it for me.

Try playing it drunk - then it'll feel juuuuust right.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2012, 12:18:07 PM »
In defense of Browning, it has a great intro.  The problem is that it gets you so worked up and excited to play that when the horribly clunky controls hit you are utterly dissappointed.
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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2012, 09:12:24 PM »
In defense of Browning, it has a great intro.  The problem is that it gets you so worked up and excited to play that when the horribly clunky controls hit you are utterly dissappointed.

The controls are only part of the problem. The other major flaw is that the game only operates on a single plane and the enemies are coming at you as if they had been waiting in a long queue for their turn :lol:
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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2012, 05:22:59 AM »
I know about Sidearms, but I'm talking more along the lines of side-scrolling platformers, rather than space shooters.  I've heard of Veigues Tactical Gladiator, too, but I've also heard that that game sucks.  Any others?


 I remember one magazine stating that the mech controls like "a drunken ice-skating robot". Which, IMO, sums up the game completely. I had this game new BITD. I wanted to like it.. I really did (I gave it a lot of chances). It a lot going for it (scrolls, decent graphics, decent music, you are a mech!, etc). In the end it's just frustrating because the control and design is just... shit/broken. If you can can get over that aspect of the game, then you'll sure to like it.

Exactly my thoughts.  The concept of the game is great, the graphics are nice, everything about the game is good....except the control.  That kills it for me.


In Defense of Veigues Tactical Gladiator (a semi-yearly rant from esteban)

Comrades, you haven't given the game a chance to shine in its special little way. THE CONTROLS ARE FINE when you accept the fact that you are supposed to power-up different weapons strategically to overpower your enemies. THIS IS NOT A PLATFORMING GAME THAT REQUIRES PRECISION JUMPS AND ACROBATICS. You're supposed to be a sluggish mech (weighed down by the ridiculous amount of armor and firepower at your disposal) WHO UNLEASHES A DELUGE OF  BULLETS, CHEST PELLETS and DYNO-PUNCHES at the onslaught of enemies. In fact, THIS IS ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT VEIGUES: you often feel like swarms of enemies will distract you and one little bastard projectile (or opponent) will slip through and get you.

I LOVE THAT YOU SLOWLY GET DAMAGED and lose different abilities/weapons. It's wonderful challenge to see how long you can survive before overheating. OF COURSE VEIGUES IS TOO EASY FOR ME NOW, but I remember what it was like. These days, I allow myself to get damaged, just to see if I have survival skills.

FLYING (hovering, actually) SHOULD ALWAYS BE SLUGGISH (haven't you seen the rocket/hydro jet packs folks have devised? Veigues was never going to be a graceful sparrow darting through the heavens, Veigues is a GODDAMN GLADIATOR that, at best, can be described as a CLUMSY, ARMORED GARBAGE CAN that hovers far longer than you would expect it too and is far more graceful than you would expect it to be. IT IS FUN AS HELL TO FLY/HOVER (some games are too generous with flying and it loses its novelty. Other games are too stingy with hovering abilities and are frustrating for players, like me, who want to TASTE THE HEAVENS). Veigues, in other words, is the best balance. The novelty doesn't wear off, it's always a treat to utilize VERNIER. That said, Veigues is, admittedly, not unlike a mecha-turkey who hovers with the best of the gobble-gobblers.

Early in the game, foolish players fail to recognize the amazing versatility of the CHEST-PELLETS. I love spraying my pellets up, down and all-around. CHEST CANNONS ROCK! You aren't playing a TRUE MECH UNLESS YOU HAVE A CHEST CANNON LIKE VEIGUES. Other games might have boring, imprecise missiles or lazers that launch from the chest. HOW BANAL. Veigues has goddamn PELLETS fearlessly unleashed from a chest cannon. 

In tight quarters, later in the game, you gotta have your DYNO-PUNCH powered up to the max. AGAIN, AMNY GAME THAT LACKS SOLID PUNCHING IS NOT A TRUE MECH GAME. You know this is true.

Yeah, of course your mech has the standard gattling gun...and you'll use it, but the beauty of the game is you are encouraged NOT TO RELY ON IT.

Some ENEMY DESIGNS (including bosses) tend to be simplistic and boring, but, hey, they aren't that bad. I WISH THERE WERE BETTER BOSS BATTLES, but I never claimed Veigues was without flaws.

The soundtrack is quirky and suits the game well. It is minimalist cyborg-pop that sounds exactly like the tunes the robot swarms would listen to.



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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2012, 09:23:18 AM »
Man, didn't realise so many people didn't like Veigues!  I've always loved Veigues, great game, love the controls, love the gfx, & absolutely LOVE the soundtrack.  The soundtrack is probably the best part of it for me. :-k

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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2012, 01:15:10 PM »
Esteban, I love reading your posts.  Always so elegant, passionate and quirky wrapped up like a warm burrito for the eating.  Yours and Arkhan's posts (which are full of freakout angry passion with a dose of durrr) are always entertaining to read.
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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2012, 02:58:11 PM »
Damn it Steban, now I want to try it!


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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2012, 04:00:19 PM »
Mad King Granzort is fun to play if you have an SGX.

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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2012, 05:47:59 PM »
Hey, I like veigues.

It's a pretty solid game.
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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2012, 08:32:24 PM »
I agree 100% with everything esteban said about Veigues.  The controls are kinda clunky, but it's completely fitting because you're controlling a huge friggin' mecha with armor and weaponry out the wazoo.  I'm thinking people disappointed with the controls were hoping for something more along the lines of Gundam-style mecha.  But take a look at the tactical gladiator.  It obviously wasn't meant to dance around the enemies with a lot of finesse.  It's clunky and meant to take a beating.

The one thing that I would agree is truly horrendous about the game is the U.S. market box art.  No idea why they couldn't use the original Japanese art:


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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2012, 03:35:59 AM »
No idea why they couldn't use the original Japanese art:




That can be said about much of the US box art.


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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2012, 05:37:08 AM »
Esteban, I love reading your posts.  Always so elegant, passionate and quirky wrapped up like a warm burrito for the eating.  Yours and Arkhan's posts (which are full of freakout angry passion with a dose of durrr) are always entertaining to read.


You are too gracious. Thank you .

I am just happy that folks recognize that I come from a genuine, heartfelt place. I definitely try to squeeze as much entertainment as I can from stuff (blame it on "growing up poor"), BUT, I've also changed my opinions about things over the years. Back in the day, I felt Veigues was a notch above mediocre. Why? Well, as a kid, I simply assumed that "thousands" of superior games must exit out there in the cosmos (I could only afford to play a handful). Now, though, having played a significantly larger sample of games, I realize that Veigues wasn't as bad as I initially felt. Of course, not all games fare well with the passing of time.




Damn it Steban, now I want to try it!

True Dat Beemereano! I totally got Ark on China Warrior and have enjoyed the game a lot more since.


It warms my heart that China Warrior has been getting some love in recent years. It was almost universally reviled in some circles.




Man, didn't realise so many people didn't like Veigues!  I've always loved Veigues, great game, love the controls, love the gfx, & absolutely LOVE the soundtrack.  The soundtrack is probably the best part of it for me. :-k


One thing I love is that you delve into the tunes for nearly all games. Veigues has a percussion-driven soundtrack that definitely fits the "mechanized" universe the game is set in. While you can listen to the soundtrack in isolation, it really works best as a soundscape for the game.




The one thing that I would agree is truly horrendous about the game is the U.S. market box art.  No idea why they couldn't use the original Japanese art:




There are so many TG-16 games that would have benefitted from simply using a SCREENSHOT from the actual game! Veigues is one of the games where a gorgeous zoomed-in screenshot would have KICKED BUTT as cover art. INCLUDE THE SCANLINES. It doesn't matter. No, I don't know what the best scene would be (maybe focus on a battle with an interesting opponent--like the snake-like thing--or a stage with beautiful vistas (the first stage has a neat sunset)).

I have defended the lame coverart of TG-16 releases (I find them charming now ), but if I were consulting for NEC back in 1989, I would have absolutely used screenshots if kool art assets were unavailable (which is most likely the case).

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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2012, 10:20:24 AM »
VEIGUES FTW.
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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2012, 02:12:47 PM »
I agree 100% with everything esteban said about Veigues.  The controls are kinda clunky, but it's completely fitting because you're controlling a huge friggin' mecha with armor and weaponry out the wazoo.  I'm thinking people disappointed with the controls were hoping for something more along the lines of Gundam-style mecha.  But take a look at the tactical gladiator.  It obviously wasn't meant to dance around the enemies with a lot of finesse.  It's clunky and meant to take a beating.

The one thing that I would agree is truly horrendous about the game is the U.S. market box art.  No idea why they couldn't use the original Japanese art:




I remember an old buddy of mine saying the US art looked like it has a low poly Optimus Prime on it.:)

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Re: Any good mech games on the PCE?
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2012, 04:08:18 PM »
Alright, alright...well, it's cheap, so I'll pick it up.  I looked at some gameplay footage & although it looks a bit clunky, it has a pleasant anime vibe to it.
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