Hostess makers of the Twinkie to go Bankrupt ?

[nodtveidt]

Jobs grow on trees in this country, didn't ya know?

[MotherGunner]

I don't blame the workers for striking but God Damn!  Timing is everything!  Shitty pay during the Holiday season is better than NO pay!

[TheClash603]

This was the second time Hostess went bankrupt.  The company didn't update its strategy in years and it obviously was horribly mismanaged.  The fact that the Company was expected the workers to take a pay cut because they didn't know how to run the place was ridiculous.

It is sad that in this country people instantly will side with the corporate ownership, and hardly ever with the strikers.  That says a lot about the values of this brainwashed society.

[FiftyQuid]

Did you guys notice this listing?  I saw it when I clicked on the link Bernie posted.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orange-Hostess-Cupcakes-Daughters-College-Tuition-/121024561190?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2da04026

Read the description.  You can't make this shit up.

[soop]

I ate a twinkie some 16 years ago, and I really wasn't impressed.  That cream is nasty and synthetic.

The only thing I like about Hostess is the old Marvel adverts and how I imagine the apple and cherry pies to taste.

http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess.htm

[nodtveidt]

It is sad that in this country people instantly will side with the corporate ownership, and hardly ever with the strikers.  That says a lot about the values of this brainwashed society.

But of course!! Now people can't get their precious junk food "OH NOEZ!!". It's all about "me me me". Nothing ever changes in this selfish, decadent, "me first" society. A bunch of f*cking self-important shitheads that have no concern for the lives of others as long as they can get their own quick fix. Must be nice to not know what hard times are all about, or to have them so far behind you that you've forgotten them.

[Arkhan]

Jobs aren't as hard to find as you'd think.   It's just a lot of people who are unemployed are picky dumbshits that refuse to work somewhere that's less than awesome.  It also depends where you look.  

Money > No Money,

and, that picture is a bit black/white.  Even without the stupid raises I don't think they could afford to pay all of those pension plans for all the old-f*cks because upper management blew dick at what they were doing anyway.

I don't blame the workers for striking but God Damn!  Timing is everything!  Shitting pay during the Holiday season is better than NO pay!

Yeah.  It's like pulling out after you blow your load.   Nice thought, but totally pointless.   Some of the strikers are now complaining that they are losing their jobs.   That part cracks me up.   WE STRIKED CAUSE THIS PLACE SUCKS.

WAIT YOU'RE TAKING MY JOB? WHAT THE f*ck THIS IS BULLSHIT I NEED MY JOB.

duhruhrurhhruhr, lol.

But of course!! Now people can't get their precious junk food "OH NOEZ!!". It's all about "me me me". Nothing ever changes in this selfish, decadent, "me first" society. A bunch of f*cking self-important shitheads that have no concern for the lives of others as long as they can get their own quick fix. Must be nice to not know what hard times are all about, or to have them so far behind you that you've forgotten them.

I think you are getting a little too emotional and accusational about twinkies. 

Besides, everyone already knows that all this shit is going to resurface in under a year from a different snack company so most people are flailing just because the whole thing is funny, as opposed to being "self important jackasses".

Oh, wait, you called us shitheads this time. 

Either way.

[nodtveidt]

I think you are getting a little too emotional and accusational about twinkies. 

Besides, everyone already knows that all this shit is going to resurface in under a year from a different snack company so most people are flailing just because the whole thing is funny, as opposed to being "self important jackasses".

Oh, wait, you called us shitheads this time. 

Either way.

Don't like my opinion? I don't give a damn. I don't like yours either. So I guess we're even. And yeah, I care about this situation, and about every other situation where corporate greed damages the lives of those they depend on. It's classic "bite the hand that feeds you" stuff. The workers make the products that the corporate bigwigs profit from, and in return, "hey let's take MORE money, give them LESS money, and if it fails, oh well, we'll just sell off everything and retire to Cancun... f*ck the workers that made us rich". All the while, outside people are only concerned that their "food" (I use that word extremely liberally here) supply is in danger of disappearing. So hey, if these workers can just "find another job", I guess y'all can just find another junk food and stop bitching about it, eh?

I'm f*cking sick of this "blame the worker" and "blame the union" mentality. This is just "blame the victim" mentality in a corporate setting.

[soop]

I agree with Old Rover, but TBH, his opinion is not diametrically opposed to Arkhan, and I agree with him too.

The only thing I can't understand is why anyone would eat that crap out of choice.

[Arkhan]

Don't like my opinion? I don't give a damn. I don't like yours either. So I guess we're even.

The difference being, I am not being very serious about any of this twinkie shit, whereas you are...   

All the while, outside people are only concerned that their "food" (I use that word extremely liberally here) supply is in danger of disappearing.

Outside people are rarely concerned with the inside.  Why should they be? 

So hey, if these workers can just "find another job", I guess y'all can just find another junk food and stop bitching about it, eh?

We all know twinkies will be back, and yes, there are plenty of other foods to eat in the meantime.

As for the workers, they can find another job.  Many probably have already.

**Note the following is not meant to be a blanket statement directed at everyone who got f*cked by Hostess**

The hostess factory is basically like a McDonalds.  It's fairly simple to find a job if you don't set your standards way too high.  Highschool kids do it all the f*ckin' time.

There's highschool kids making solid incomes working at places like UPS.  But, you'll often find adults who pull that whole "OH I REFUSE TO WORK AT UPS BECAUSE THEY'RE CORPORATE DICKS" shit and would rather just sit and talk about how f*cked up every company is instead of shutting their traps for awhile and getting a f*ckin' job so they're not making tomato soup out of ketchup packets and water that they stole from a McDonalds that they should probably apply for a job at.  Most adults pull that entitled to this/that shit and can't budget themselves for shit.  This includes the innocent workers of Hostess.  If you're poor as f*ck and jobless, shut your internet off.  Tuck that money away til you aren't broke.  Go use free internet somewhere.   like at that McDonalds you should probably apply at

Young kids are all like "Money!? COOL GIMME IT".  Adults are like "Money!? FROM THERE?! HELL NO." followed by "f*ck.  IM POOR.  FINDING A JOB IS HARD.  I HATE AMERICA.  IM MOVING TO CANADA".

Yes.  Finding a job is hard when you let your pride/ego/whatever get in the way of super sizing some food for some retard so you can get paid.

When they say "The job market is rough", they mean jobs requiring degrees and shit.  Everyone and their brother is an engineer major now.  There are hardly any engineering jobs in ohio.

Walmart/Grocery Stores/Retail outlets/Fastfood places on the other hand, I see "NOW HIRING" signs left and f*ckin right.

If you can handle a hostess factory job, you could probably be a manager of a bunch of stoned teens at a McDonalds or some shit. 

Protip: They have benefits.

I'm f*cking sick of this "blame the worker" and "blame the union" mentality. This is just "blame the victim" mentality in a corporate setting.

Right now, you can certainly blame the workers for being f*cked.  They could've stuck it out at least til the end of the year.  Now they're hosed for the holidays, right?

Who the hell strikes before thanksgiving?   That's n00b as f*ck.

[nodtveidt]

Last time I checked, justice doesn't take the holidays off.

[Arkhan]

[nodtveidt]

[Bernie]

I guess I fall in the middle on this.  Being a union worker, I see both sides.  Corporate greed is a big thing, watching CEOs give themselves millions in retirement, or raises, all the while cutting at the workers that make the money for them.  That being said, I am not sure I would have voted to strike unless I was prepared.  Its obvious Hostess drove themselves into Bankruptcy though. 

I work for a company called RockTenn, and thus far they have been GREAT to work for.    However, it has not always been that way.  Before RockTenn bought us, we were Smurfit Stone Container.  The leaders of that company ran it into the ground, literally.  I seen tons of cuts to pension, 401K, and pay while under their leadership.  In the end, they filed for Chpt. 11..  Guess what?  I personally lost 10k overnight as they liquidated their stock, luckily most of my money was in other stocks as well.  But thats just me and my losses, no telling what others lost.  Almost directly after they emerged from Chpt. 11, things started leaking out about certain leaders high up the chain, leaving the company, and being PAID millions for retirement..  WTF??  One that stands out got 5 million, and he was one of the higher leaders.  Lemme get this straight, I lose thousands, and you gain millions?  Does that seem right??  Its insane, and shit like that that put us in this position to begin with.  Fast forward to 2009.  RockTenn bought us, and immediately started sinking MILLIONS into the mills, including the one I work at.  The plants had been neglected so long, that we were literally running on borrowed time and bandaids.  RockTenn is working very hard to fix this, and it shows its workers they want to run, be productive, and be fair.  We now have a better 401K, they care for the workers, and it is starting to show.  They have literally invested more in my mill, than Smurfit invested the entire 12 years I was there before. 

I said all that to say this.  There is a lot of corporate greed out there, more than there should be.  It wouldnt be so bad, if they were suffering right along with us, but that wasnt the case with Smurfit.  You just cannot justify the workers losing thousands, due to their negligence, and then turning around and paying themselves millions just to leave the company right before being sold.  Our plant never voted to strike, because we just couldnt afford to do so.  Ark is right, something is better than nothing.  But still, right is right and wrong is wrong. 

[Arkhan]

Hard Justice should be reserved for Judges.

all the normal people have to be a bit flexible with whats right/wrong.


Yeah, the company is f*cking their asses raw.

But at the same time, having no money for the holidays is also going to f*ck your ass raw.

and your families or whoever are going to be all like yodang, this christmas present is lame.  y u no money.