Sony, leading the horse race again?

[SignOfZeta]

I think Sony will eventually give in & have to make it b/c on PSN titles, cuz that right there sucks, & I don't think anybody will be happy about it, & people will bitch & moan about it.

The 4 has zero in common with the 3 and won't be powerful enough to emulate the 3 outright so the only way to have the 4 support the 3 would be to basically build a 3 inside of it, further jacking up the build cost of a machine that might already be expensive enough to destroy the company. In other words, they already did that with the 3 and eventually removed support for the 2 to lose less on the system.

If you don't like this idea, don't sell your PS3.

[TheClash603]

The point is that the PSN games on PS3 are not full PS3 level quality games.  They should find a way for these games to run, even if a full disc release cannot run.

From a technical perspective, it might not be easy to do, but that's why these tech guys make their money.  If the $99 Ouya is going to be able to run old games on each model that comes out 1 year later, it is a joke that the PS4 can't run games that can work on a system that is nearly a decade old.

[ParanoiaDragon]

The point is that the PSN games on PS3 are not full PS3 level quality games.  They should find a way for these games to run, even if a full disc release cannot run.

From a technical perspective, it might not be easy to do, but that's why these tech guys make their money.  If the $99 Ouya is going to be able to run old games on each model that comes out 1 year later, it is a joke that the PS4 can't run games that can work on a system that is nearly a decade old.

That's exactly what I would think.  It's not like any of the PSN games are a bunch of number cruncher's. 

Either way, I have no plans on ever selling my PS3.  I haven't bothered to sell a game system in 20 years I'd guess, so I'm in the clear in that respect, but I'd still like to be able to port over the games I'd paid for, whether it be the 16-bitters(like Monster World IV), PSN exclusives, or PS1/2 games.

[Arkhan]

The point is that the PSN games on PS3 are not full PS3 level quality games.  They should find a way for these games to run, even if a full disc release cannot run.

From a technical perspective, it might not be easy to do, but that's why these tech guys make their money.  If the $99 Ouya is going to be able to run old games on each model that comes out 1 year later, it is a joke that the PS4 can't run games that can work on a system that is nearly a decade old.

The Cell architecture is completely different.  The executable code for it can't run on an X86 machine.  It would require being rewritten and rebuilt.

The reason Ouya can do what it can do is because the CPU architecture is the same.  It just gets faster/better. 

What they'd have to do is provide companies with the means to rebuild PS3 games with the PS4 as the target.

It will probably work fine for lower end games.   Might not work good for the high end ones...

[TheClash603]

The point is that the PSN games on PS3 are not full PS3 level quality games.  They should find a way for these games to run, even if a full disc release cannot run.

From a technical perspective, it might not be easy to do, but that's why these tech guys make their money.  If the $99 Ouya is going to be able to run old games on each model that comes out 1 year later, it is a joke that the PS4 can't run games that can work on a system that is nearly a decade old.

The Cell architecture is completely different.  The executable code for it can't run on an X86 machine.  It would require being rewritten and rebuilt.

The reason Ouya can do what it can do is because the CPU architecture is the same.  It just gets faster/better. 

What they'd have to do is provide companies with the means to rebuild PS3 games with the PS4 as the target.

It will probably work fine for lower end games.   Might not work good for the high end ones...

Then Sony messed up and should've thought about things a little harder when launching the PSN on PS3.  The reason I always buy games on PSN and not X360 is because A.) the controller is better and B.) some of them are playable on multiple devices (PS3, PSP, Vita), which is really cool.  I guess I just thought Sony had its shit together and this really let me down.

Imagine if the iPhone 6 came out and they said, "BTW, all of the games made for the old ones don't work anymore."  The counter argument to this scenario is what you said, "this is completely different hardware, that is just an upgrade."  My counter argument to this is that Apple (as much as I hate the Company) seemingly had the foresight to think this through and update its systems in a way that calls for integration and Sony failed in this regard.

[SignOfZeta]

The PS3 was the most powerful graphical doodad in the world when it came out. The iPhone never was. The change from one iPhone to the next is very incremental and they come out every year. Do you want annual incremental Playstations?

The direction they took with the Cell made sense at the time. The PS4 architecture was only fantasy back then.

If you want bleeding edge shit, pay for it. Sony is probably already going to lose $50 a machine (if not twice that). Isn't that enough? Sheesh.

Nintendo stuff goes backwards really well, but that's largely because it hardly goes forwards.

[shabba]

Finally, they're going to be supporting Smell-o-vision, YES!!!!!

I actually get this reference...am I that old? (Mad Magazine, no?)

I'll weigh in on the PS4 in one regard. I have 3 stepsons in the house, two of whom pretty much grew up with me. They are 15, 18 and 24 and Filipino. I'm 37 and white so I'd say we have the demographics covered for gaming.

After the PS4 announcement, we were talking about the system. The boys agreed, overwhelmingly, that it's not something they are interested in. None of them thought that having someone else pick up their game where they left off was neat, none of them were stoked about the social media interactions and they all, like their step dad, dislike the idea of games on the cloud.

I like having a physical disc and a case. Call me antiquated, but I don't care. It's thievery to keep the program on the cloud and I have nothing to show for it. The kids feel the same way. When the PS3 came out, my kids were much more excited. Several people stated it here that the software sells the system. I feel that, until there is something there like a GOW4 or GT6, I won't be getting a PS4 right off. My kids, a big part of the audience Sony is wanting to buy in, aren't sold either. What does that say?

[Arkhan]

What's funny is, there was a time when noone gave a shit about backwards compatibility, and now it's all people seem to care about with the next system is: "Can it play my old crap"

You already have the thing that plays the old crap.  Who cares if new thing play old thing.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Finally, they're going to be supporting Smell-o-vision, YES!!!!!

I actually get this reference...am I that old? (Mad Magazine, no?)

I'll weigh in on the PS4 in one regard. I have 3 stepsons in the house, two of whom pretty much grew up with me. They are 15, 18 and 24 and Filipino. I'm 37 and white so I'd say we have the demographics covered for gaming.

After the PS4 announcement, we were talking about the system. The boys agreed, overwhelmingly, that it's not something they are interested in. None of them thought that having someone else pick up their game where they left off was neat, none of them were stoked about the social media interactions and they all, like their step dad, dislike the idea of games on the cloud.

I like having a physical disc and a case. Call me antiquated, but I don't care. It's thievery to keep the program on the cloud and I have nothing to show for it. The kids feel the same way. When the PS3 came out, my kids were much more excited. Several people stated it here that the software sells the system. I feel that, until there is something there like a GOW4 or GT6, I won't be getting a PS4 right off. My kids, a big part of the audience Sony is wanting to buy in, aren't sold either. What does that say?

Might be Mad magazine, I used to read it all the time as a kid, but I don't specifically remember.

I'm a physical release person as well, though, I am finding that the more physical releases I get, the more room they take up.  Right now, I buy all physical releases of games I want, but when there's a game that's digital only, I've more recently become much more forgiving about that.

I remember when the SNES came out, & I was pissed that it didn't run NES games.  Atleast the Genesis had the Power converter!

[Black Tiger]

Smell-O-Vision is real and other similar techniques were used a handful of times in theatres.

What's funny is, there was a time when noone gave a shit about backwards compatibility, and now it's all people seem to care about with the next system is: "Can it play my old crap"

You already have the thing that plays the old crap.  Who cares if new thing play old thing.

The problem is that there was a time when games were all physical and didn't require any kind of b.s. digital rights licensing or online authentication. Now companies are pushing digital everything and then later on making them unavailable and/or unplayable.

[Arkhan]

The problem is that there was a time when games were all physical and didn't require any kind of b.s. digital rights licensing or online authentication. Now companies are pushing digital everything and then later on making them unavailable and/or unplayable.

That would happen with or without backwards compatibility.   Just because it's available on 3 platforms doesn't mean it won't be removed and unplayable on them all. 

So, no, I don't think that's the problem.

We're not in 100% digital mode yet, and people still complain about backwards compatibility.   They've been complaining about it since the Xbox 360 came out.

[Black Tiger]

The problem is that there was a time when games were all physical and didn't require any kind of b.s. digital rights licensing or online authentication. Now companies are pushing digital everything and then later on making them unavailable and/or unplayable.

That would happen with or without backwards compatibility.   Just because it's available on 3 platforms doesn't mean it won't be removed and unplayable on them all. 

So, no, I don't think that's the problem.

We're not in 100% digital mode yet, and people still complain about backwards compatibility.   They've been complaining about it since the Xbox 360 came out.

The other problem is that this passing generations' physical media releases often ship unfinished and are later patched repeatedly. I'm afraid of not being able to play games properly on hardware a decade or two from now. Our best hope for these games to be preserved properly is pirates hacking consoles and backing up all of the updates and distributing them.

[Arkhan]

The other problem is that this passing generations' physical media releases often ship unfinished and are later patched repeatedly. I'm afraid of not being able to play games properly on hardware a decade or two from now. Our best hope for these games to be preserved properly is pirates hacking consoles and backing up all of the updates and distributing them.

This isn't a problem with backwards compatibility.  This is just a problem.

It's not like when PS4 comes out, all PS3s on the planet explode and leave behind nothing but shiny black dust that shows fingerprints easily.

[Nando]

It's not like when PS4 comes out, all PS3s on the planet explode and leave behind nothing but shiny black dust that shows fingerprints easily.

LMAO!!

[KingDrool]

It's not like when PS4 comes out, all PS3s on the planet explode and leave behind nothing but shiny black dust that shows fingerprints easily.

Yeah, and it's not like this generation's hardware is known for having extremely high failure rates or anything..