Girly CD's part of complete set?

[Necromancer]

I consider a "complete US set" as including all titles produced specifically for use on a Turbob.  Shitty though they may be, the boobeh discs aren't any different than any other unofficial game, akin to Implode, Mysterious Song, etc. (or akin to the GE games for the PCE).

That said, who gives a shit how you count your 'full set'?  Nobody else really cares (or shouldn't anyhow), so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

DO YOU KNOW HOW BADLY I want to expel these two items from the official canon and replace them with NOTHING?

Only two of 'em?  Which one is a keeper?

A better question is what people think of the LaserActive Turbob games.  They are SuperCD games just on LaserDisks instead of CDs.  To me they are needed for a full Turbob set, but I'm sure quite a few here will disagree.

Excellent question, similar to should one include the SG games towards a full PCE set.  Is it a separate system or just an extension of the original console (like CD/SCD/ACD)?  I say the latter.

[tggodfrey]

I consider a "complete US set" as including all titles produced specifically for use on a Turbob.  Shitty though they may be, the boobeh discs aren't any different than any other unofficial game, akin to Implode, Mysterious Song, etc. (or akin to the GE games for the PCE).

That said, who gives a shit how you count your 'full set'?  Nobody else really cares (or shouldn't anyhow), so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

It was just a question there Chochie....for discussion sake. 

[TheClash603]

I consider the girly games in the same vein as the modern homebrew titles, in that they count in a full set of games, but they are not part of the official releases.

[RoyVegas]

I consider the girly games in the same vein as the modern homebrew titles, in that they count in a full set of games, but they are not part of the official releases.

Short and sweet, said exactly how I see it.

Noone can really tell anyone what consists of a full set.  It's personal preference. 

[DragonmasterDan]

I consider the girly games in the same vein as the modern homebrew titles, in that they count in a full set of games, but they are not part of the official releases.

It all depends what you want a full set of. Do you want a full set of all officially licensed commercial releases (which would be the most common interpretation but certainly not the only one)? If so, then the girlie games don't count.

Do you want all officially licensed software, then you probably want to count the Lords of Thunder Demo and Zonk kiosk disc as well.

Do you want to count everything running PCE-like hardware? Then the LA games count as well.

It becomes a slippery slope because determining what counts and what doesn't is subjective.

Here's my way of looking at it. And here's the criteria I use for a complete set.

1. Is the game I'm playing officially licensed for the territory I'm playing in?
For retail released games and promotional discs like the Zonk and Lords of Thunder kiosk discs yes, as are the LA games.

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

3. Was this software created with the intent of being sold to consumers?
This rules out the kiosk discs and the LA diagnostic HuCard (if a US version actually exists).

[SignOfZeta]

Demos that were never intended for retail release, don't have bar codes, a retail price, were never sold in stores don't count unless you are being super completist. They are official, but not consumer software. Even Darius Alpha, as hard to get as it was, was at least intended for consumers. The LoT demo was only available via leaks in the system. If NEC/Hudson still existed and they produced a catalog of all PCE soft they would not include in-store demos, prototypes, and other things that don't have catalog numbers such as the girlie garbage, Games Express, or Implode. If nobody paid a licesning fee, its not official retail software. They would probably include demos made for consumers such as the Manji Maru/Dragon Slayer demo.

Many LA games are much more rare and expensive than any of this stuff, but they are still official consumer software in every sense.

The Supergrafx says "PC ENGINE" right on it, it's clearly PC Engine official.

[SignOfZeta]

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

What is "standard model hardware" when talking about PC Engine? I mean...seriously!

The PCE is one "system", the CDROM ads not only a drive but also other hardware, the Super System gives you a third platform, the Arcade system a forth, the Supergrafx is some wierd dead end offshoot but plays any PCE game, all of this is fine but somehow the LA doesn't count? Why? It plays everything a Duo will play and while the cost was high, it really wasn't much higher than if someone bought a complete IFU w/AC at full price.

I realize the LA was a stupid weird pointless machine, but it's totally official PC Engine. Excluding it is totally arbitrary.

[DragonmasterDan]

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

What is "standard model hardware" when talking about PC Engine? I mean...seriously!

The PCE is one "system", the CDROM ads not only a drive but also other hardware, the Super System gives you a third platform, the Arcade system a forth, the Supergrafx is some wierd dead end offshoot but plays any PCE game, all of this is fine but somehow the LA doesn't count? Why? It plays everything a Duo will play and while the cost was high, it really wasn't much higher than if someone bought a complete IFU w/AC at full price.

When talking about domestic hardware (this is on the TurboGrafx board after all) I mean the US TurboGrafx 16. The Express, the Duo, and the LA PAC are non-standard.

[henrycsc]

so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

Thanks for the permission Necro, I did.

[SignOfZeta]

...what?

[Black Tiger]

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

What is "standard model hardware" when talking about PC Engine? I mean...seriously!

The PCE is one "system", the CDROM ads not only a drive but also other hardware, the Super System gives you a third platform, the Arcade system a forth, the Supergrafx is some wierd dead end offshoot but plays any PCE game, all of this is fine but somehow the LA doesn't count? Why? It plays everything a Duo will play and while the cost was high, it really wasn't much higher than if someone bought a complete IFU w/AC at full price.

When talking about domestic hardware (this is on the TurboGrafx board after all) I mean the US TurboGrafx 16. The Express, the Duo, and the LA PAC are non-standard.

The officially licensed N-10 PAC plays TurboGrafx-16 TurboChips and Turbo CD games. The TurboExpress is incapable of officially playing Turbo CD games. The LaserActive is standard, the TurboExpress is not.

[SignOfZeta]

...what? WTF is this weird definition of "standard" you're referencing?

[TheClash603]

Based on the "standard" hardware argument:

If, CD games are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are required for a full set.

If, hu-cards only are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are not required for a full set.

The "If" statements are entirely opinion based, but the "Then" statements are logical truth based on your initial response.

[BigusSchmuck]

Based on the "standard" hardware argument:

If, CD games are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are required for a full set.

If, hu-cards only are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are not required for a full set.

The "If" statements are entirely opinion based, but the "Then" statements are logical truth based on your initial response.

Sounds like a damn BASIC program.

[tggodfrey]

LOL interesting thought though.  Never thought to consider Laseractive games.