Girly CD's part of complete set?

[DarkKobold]

For some laughs, check out the wars that start on NintendoAge when someone asks this same question about Stadium Events.

(For those not in the know, SE is a ~$3,000 version of the $2 game, "World Class Track Meet," which came with every Power Pad. Nintendo wanted to license the game from Bandai, so as part of the agreement, the game was pulled from shelves ~1 month after release, making it a retail-released game, but incredibly rare. )

I have some familiarity with that game.

So, you own a legit NTSC SE cart? Props.

While I'd love to have it in my collection, I'd feel bad spending even $100 on it. I'd get mad buyers remorse, even at that level.

[vestcoat]

the question was about whether or not games that exclusively play on a system not made by the original vendor but using the same hardware architecture should count.

Video games are no stranger to second-party hardware. Again, see the 3DO and the HE system.

I see them as being exempt from what I count as a TurboGrafx collection as there is no way to actually play these games on a TurboGrafx.

The N10 is a TurboGrafx. Don't let the funny box fool you.

They can only be played on a LaserActive with a TurboGrafx (or PC Engine module since there's no region lock) module, and while they are licensed by TTI/NEC. I see them as Laseractive specific games. I think it's a pretty clear cut line I've drawn.

Reverse this logic: think of the Laseractive as an optical drive (like it is) and the N10 a TurboGrafx. LD-ROMs are TurboGrafx games that can only be played with a LD drive, just as CD-ROM2's are TurboGrafx games that can only be played with a CD drive. Whether these different drives connect to an archiac TG16 made in 1989 doesn't make any difference.

[DragonmasterDan]

So, you own a legit NTSC SE cart? Props.

While I'd love to have it in my collection, I'd feel bad spending even $100 on it. I'd get mad buyers remorse, even at that level.

I spent 3.99 + sales tax on it. So there was no remorse.

Reverse this logic: think of the Laseractive as an optical drive (like it is) and the N10 a TurboGrafx. LD-ROMs are TurboGrafx games that can only be played with a LD drive, just as CD-ROM2's are TurboGrafx games that can only be played with a CD drive. Whether these different drives connect to an archiac TG16 made in 1989 doesn't make any difference.

I see it like the Neo-Geo CD. If I collect AES games, I'm only collecting cartridges. However, if I want to collect all Neo-Geo games then I go for CDs as well. I see them as the same platform but a different enough format to be eligible for being a separate collection.

[vestcoat]

I see it like the Neo-Geo CD. If I collect AES games, I'm only collecting cartridges. However, if I want to collect all Neo-Geo games then I go for CDs as well. I see them as the same platform but a different enough format to be eligible for being a separate collection.

OK, you've dropped the second-party hardware argument and "standard issue" defense, so I guess we're getting somewhere.

As for "different enough formats"...
The TurboGrafx architecture already had substantially different formats, but no one denies that CD's are TurboGrafx games. Sure, format is a convenient way for collectors to subdivide their checklists (I like to keep my Sega Cards and HuCards separate), but differences end there. If we're going to measure the extent of a console's library, we're talking about the processor, the architecture, and the officially licensed games. If doesn't matter if the LD-ROM didn't get much support or if laserdiscs look weird or if an extra licensing deal was involved in the hardware or if TTI tanked before they could make some kind of RAU-30 for the Laseractive. The fact is the TurboGrafx saw more media formats than any other system ever. Technology changed a lot in the late-Eighties/early-Nineties. Get used to it.

[DragonmasterDan]

OK, you've dropped the second-party hardware argument and "standard issue" defense, so I guess we're getting somewhere.

As for "different enough formats"...
The TurboGrafx architecture already had substantially different formats, but no one denies that CD's are TurboGrafx games. Sure, format is a convenient way for collectors to subdivide their checklists (I like to keep my Sega Cards and HuCards separate), but differences end there. If we're going to measure the extent of a console's library, we're talking about the processor, the architecture, and the officially licensed games. If doesn't matter if the LD-ROM didn't get much support or if laserdiscs look weird or if an extra licensing deal was involved in the hardware or if TTI tanked before they could make some kind of RAU-30 for the Laseractive. The fact is the TurboGrafx saw more media formats than any other system ever. Technology changed a lot in the late-Eighties/early-Nineties. Get used to it.

I don't think I actually disagree with you in principle. I think our arguments are strictly semantics.

They're part of the TurboGrafx architecture. And if you're collecting everything for that architecture I agree they should be included.

The issue here is that the format of the LDROM2 is only playable on the LaserActive which I see as a seperate device from the TurboGrafx 16 itself. While it has a PAC that enables the full functionality of not just a TurboGrafx but a Turbo Duo, I see it as being a separate format due to the reasons I've elaborated on over the past few pages.

My opinion on this really hasn't changed. There's basically collecting for the whole family/architecture, or just games that can be played on the original TurboGrafx 16 that are at the root of the do LaserActive games count question.

Added in Edit:
So the word TurboGrafx can have two meanings. TurboGrafx the architecture/platform. And TurboGrafx as in TurboGrafx 16 the original hardware system.

A complete collection of the first encompasses everything. The second merely encompasses having every domestic playable title that will run on the original hardware.

Based on that I divide them up, but anyone is free to use whatever methodology they choose.

[SignOfZeta]

You'd have an argument if Tommo made a Turbo Grafx X that was emulation based and only a Turbo in name (as with the Neo Geo X) but the Turbo PAC is ABSOLUTELY a Turbografx. It has the same CPU and graphics chips, the same controller socket, a HuCard slot, runs everything a Duo will, is officially licensed and partially manufactured by NEC and has Turbo Grafx logo RIGHT ON THE f*ckER. If it had the proper sockets on the back it wouldn't even need an LA to be a functioning Turbo Grafx (note to self: that would be a cool mod).

If it isn't a Turbo Graphx then I'm Robert Redford.

You actually have less of an argument with the AES vs Neo CD since there is zero cross compatibility between the systems and every game being rebuilt for the CD. It's a much easier line to draw because of this. It's a cart or its a CD.

[turboswimbz]

This thread is fantastic!  PCE and Turbografx is kinda like this:


Gotta collect them all and everything is a little blurry!

 

[vestcoat]

I don't think I actually disagree with you in principle. I think our arguments are strictly semantics.

They're part of the TurboGrafx architecture. And if you're collecting everything for that architecture I agree they should be included.

Fair enough. I've decided: we can still be friends! Sorry I got snarky.

[geise]

The hardware argument has nothing to do with the original post.  The girly cd games are non licensed and (in my opinion) are gaijin hentai doujin for the US.  Therefore they are not needed (to me) if I personally want a complete set.  Funny thing about the Girly CD's is that they could also be considered for a "complete" pc-engine cd collection as well with there being no region lock out.  I wonder if Japanese pc-engine collectors go for the Girly CD's?

For the off topic discussion if I wanted to collect every licensed software available, then yes I would add the LD games as well.  Same goes for regular licensed CD ROM2, and SCD games.

[Black Tiger]

Here is a simple answer to the original question, "Are the pseudoporn games part of a complete set?" Answer: No, but if you really like garbage then just buy them.

In the case of the girly cds, "games" isn't even appropriate, as it is only software running a gallery (similar to the Saturn's Virtrua Fighter Portrait series). Some people who are not fans of digicomics occasionally argue that they aren't real games either, but anyone who has played several knows that it is not the case, especially when compared to some of the gameplay in today's games.

[roflmao]

I love it when the long-time members find something new to discuss.  Thanks DragonmasterDan for posting such an interesting topic!

Just to contribute something, here's my take:

Before I found out about these forums, I didn't know the LaserActive even existed.  Of course the games made for the LA are not canon.  However, they do exist and any completionist (however ridiculous it is) would have to have them for completion's sake.  Now that I know they exist, if I ever stumbled upon them for cheap I would pick them up in a heartbeat and post pictures here.

EDIT: The Girly CDs are not part of the complete set in my mind.


...but the homebrew stuff is. 

[esteban]

FINAL CONSENSUS: The Girly CD's are NOT canon. They should never, ever, ever be mentioned again. Thank you.
 

[Tatsujin]

[vestcoat]

Of course the games made for the LA are not canon.  However, they do exist and any completionist (however ridiculous it is) would have to have them for completion's sake. 

Well, at least you agree the LA games exist!

[xelement5x]

Why WOULD anyone want every LA game?

Discussed yesterday in chat, but:
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