Protect your consumer rights. Do not buy Microsoft's new console

[SignOfZeta]

The PS3 is 100 times more reliable than early 360. Early 360 failures were horrendous, worse than any console ever by far, including the PS2 which was a pile of junk that actively pumped dust over its own DVDROM drive the entire time it ran.

And that hope MS new console if of better quality than the last, taking from experance i had 5 replaced and that's making me think on more ps4 this time and it seems most of my mates are thinking the same thing.

I don't know about other people, but if I had replace my console FIVE TIMES, current gen, not some antique, to keep playing 360 games...I would feel like a giant tool who could be tricked into shelling out cash on anything. I sure as f*ck wouldn't buy another Xbox.

f*ck, I've only had three different PC Engines, in 20 years!

[ProfessorProfessorson]

I would be more concerned about the games I bought with the imaginary points. Once the X360 is gone, who know what's gonna happen.

I know whats going to happen. You're gonna be sol.

[esadajr]

I would be more concerned about the games I bought with the imaginary points. Once the X360 is gone, who knows what's gonna happen.

I know whats going to happen. You're gonna be sol.

Yup, no (cost effective) way to back up that (imaginary) content. No big deal though, just a couple thousand imaginary points.

[SmaMan]

The PS3 is 100 times more reliable than early 360. Early 360 failures were horrendous, worse than any console ever by far, including the PS2 which was a pile of junk that actively pumped dust over its own DVDROM drive the entire time it ran.

I have a bit of a story about that. My little bro bought an XBOX360 at launch. After a few years, it finally red ringed. The warranty was well expired, so we sent it off to a trusted friend to take a look at it.

Low and behold, when he opened up this still officially sealed up console (complete with that holographic tape) he found tinfoil being used to connect the CPU to another component in the console.

Let me repeat that: Tinfoil in an officially sealed, never before serviced, console. The fail levels are off the charts.

Anyway, here's what I think about the whole Always-On DRM thing. I've taken a bit what others have said and added in a few things that I think about it.
http://smaman.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/always-on-drm-is-a-game-that-nobody-can-win/

[ProfessorProfessorson]

The PS3 is 100 times more reliable than early 360. Early 360 failures were horrendous, worse than any console ever by far, including the PS2 which was a pile of junk that actively pumped dust over its own DVDROM drive the entire time it ran.

I have a bit of a story about that. My little bro bought an XBOX360 at launch. After a few years, it finally red ringed. The warranty was well expired, so we sent it off to a trusted friend to take a look at it.

Low and behold, when he opened up this still officially sealed up console (complete with that holographic tape) he found tinfoil being used to connect the CPU to another component in the console.

Let me repeat that: Tinfoil in an officially sealed, never before serviced, console. The fail levels are off the charts.

Anyway, here's what I think about the whole Always-On DRM thing. I've taken a bit what others have said and added in a few things that I think about it.
http://smaman.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/always-on-drm-is-a-game-that-nobody-can-win/

Pics or it didn't happen.


EDIT: And to that I mean the original Xbox 360 lasting a few years, not the tinfoil part.

[SmaMan]

Yeah, believe it or not, it's still running. It's loud as hell, but it works. I'll snag a picture of it when I get back home tomorrow.

For now, consider this advertised irony for this topic about "always-on DRM:"
http://smaman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/screen-shot-2013-04-28-at-12-03-40-am.png
(Look towards the bottom of the screenshot.)

[jeffhlewis]

Yeah, believe it or not, it's still running. It's loud as hell, but it works. I'll snag a picture of it when I get back home tomorrow.

For now, consider this advertised irony for this topic about "always-on DRM:"
http://smaman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/screen-shot-2013-04-28-at-12-03-40-am.png
(Look towards the bottom of the screenshot.)

I still have my launch Xbox360, which has survived 7+ years of abuse, annual Madden tournaments at work, 4 moves and has been on display and played at two Midwest Gaming Classics. Damn thing still runs like gangbusters; it just won't die.

[SignOfZeta]

I know a guy that has a Japanese launch PS2 that still works, which is pretty incredible. When I worked at EB during the PS2 era, the last wave of the PS2 Phat specifically, I saw assloads of broken PS2s, several that actually shipped defective.

[SmaMan]

Well Mr. (or Dr.) Professorson, here you go:

In the bottom left corner is a launch XBOX which has survived through numerous RROD's (the three ring kind, and it will occasionally scare me by doing it again whenever the power goes out.) as well as some idiotic yet official Microsoft tinfoil rigging. Ahem...

And yet the bastards flat out denied they did it, even with solid evidence... scary that they want to us to buy into a console that will require a connection to some servers in their offices...

[SignOfZeta]

A console that has been repaired multiple times isn't the same as one that has been going since launch without any RRoDs.

My original PCE/CDROM2 combo has never been repaired once. It's a survivor. My original black Duo has probably been recapped by now meaning that it isn't as reliable.

[Tatsujin]

if you buy any M$ consoles, you have only yourself to blame.

[esadajr]

if you buy any M$ consoles, you have only yourself to blame.

true for any MS product

[KingDrool]

Well, this should put an end to all the end-of-days talk:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/

[SmaMan]

Guess I'm not too surprised. With that kind of backlash even a hard-headed company like Microsoft would have to listen.
Still, a relief, even though I don't plan on buying this console... at least not at launch.

[SignOfZeta]

It isn't a matter of them "listening". It was never going to happen in the first place.