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So who is getting this new PC Engine Flash Cart?
« on: March 16, 2006, 03:53:54 PM »
http://www.ic2005.com/html/2005/show-40.htm


Saw the above link in another post here, and it piqued my interest real quick.

Has anybody bought one yet?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2006, 04:41:41 PM »
I'm waiting for their 128M card. Can't wait to play Magical Chase on my TE.

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2006, 08:19:14 PM »
Quote from: "MotherGunner"
http://www.ic2005.com/html/2005/show-40.htm


Saw the above link in another post here, and it piqued my interest real quick.

Has anybody bought one yet?


Needless to say, as the person that posted the original link, I'll be getting one. Definitely worth it.    :)
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2006, 08:30:10 PM »
Never! It is insanely expensive and I can get all the hu-cards I would ever want for that kind of money.

Here are some arguments against it:

- You don't get a nice collection to look at.
- Want to steal games? Go ahead!
- Buying one will encourage those scumbags to produce other similiar (ILLEGAL) products! Those damn pirates!! They're probably producing similiar things for GBA and NDS.

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2006, 10:09:56 PM »
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Never! It is insanely expensive and I can get all the hu-cards I would ever want for that kind of money.


But as you said yourself in another topic, you're not really into the Hu-Card games. It's a neat space-saving way of playing anything that was released in that format. But yeah, legally... a grey area.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2006, 01:32:51 AM »
The legality is a very non-subject, especially considering NEC abandoned the scene years ago and no longer cares...of course, pirating games is a subject left to the individual companies that own the copyrights but the hardware itself is of no real concern to us in terms of it being legal or not.

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2006, 01:58:43 AM »
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The legality is a very non-subject, especially considering NEC abandoned the scene years ago and no longer cares...of course, pirating games is a subject left to the individual companies that own the copyrights but the hardware itself is of no real concern to us in terms of it being legal or not.


You're right - I never thought about it that way. If the Flash Card was sold with ROMs on it, then of course it would be illegal, but on its own it isn't.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2006, 02:03:16 AM »
I forgot to mention something else as well...the startup code for the machine is kept in the software...this flash cart wouldn't contain any of NEC's proprietary code. Those of us who develop new PCE games are less legal than this cart is. :D

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2006, 03:02:05 AM »
Keep in mind what is being encouraged when you buy these flash carts. GBA and NDS flash carts are being developed by the same manufacturer. Scumbags.

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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2006, 05:17:58 AM »
Hey Im all for against piracy.  However,  I think it boils down to the individual.  Will getting a flash cart hurt the now dead companies?   Does buying a legit game make those companies money anymore?  The answer to both is no.  

I love japanese games, but did I ever mod my ps2 to play them?  Of course not, I went out and bought a japanese system.  

These games are now too old to make anyone a profit.  By getting a flash cart for me at least is another line of defense in preserving the great turbo games that I love.  

There is going to be a time where even breaking out the hucard to play is going to be too delicate.   I would rather have a flashcart lying around just to get my fix and thus allowing me to preserve my collectible hucards in sealed envelopes.  

All for $160.  Hell I paid just under that for Dungeon Explorer and Dracula X combined.

And the only person that profited was the scumbag reseller on Ebay that drives up the prices.

If anything.  Look at it this way Seldane,  MAYBE this flash cart will drive collector prices down, allowing ALL of us to be able to get the hucards we want at a reasonable price! : )
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2006, 05:34:05 AM »
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The legality is a very non-subject, especially considering NEC abandoned the scene years ago and no longer cares...of course, pirating games is a subject left to the individual companies that own the copyrights but the hardware itself is of no real concern to us in terms of it being legal or not.


You're right - I never thought about it that way. If the Flash Card was sold with ROMs on it, then of course it would be illegal, but on its own it isn't.
Actually, it depends on what country you live in, since copyright and IP laws vary greatly. In some countries/territories (i.e. Hong Kong), rather than going after the folks who own pirated content (ROMS, movies, music), they go after the "bigger fish" -- namely, the folks who produce / distribute hardware that "faciliates" pirating ("sharing") of copyrighted material.

Thankfully, here in the States, IIRC, the law acknowledges that hardware can have legitimate uses (i.e. developing new games). 99% of the folks who get flash carts use them for pirated ROMS, of course, but at least U.S. law doesn't criminalize the hardware.

Correct me if I am mistaken on any of these points.

As folks here know, I prefer real hardware and only play games I own (well, 99.99% of the time). That said, the prospect of playing ROMS on real hardware is very tempting. I can see the appeal.  

Thankfully, I own so many games that I've barely sunken my teeth into, my gameplaying schedule is solidly booked for the next few years (decade?) ... no moral dilemmas for me! :)
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2006, 05:42:25 AM »
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- You don't get a nice collection to look at.


You can always buy the flash card and still buy other games if you want. It won't hinder your collection. In fact it will help you decide which games to buy.


Quote from: "Seldane"
- Want to steal games? Go ahead!


It doesn't encourage you to steal. I've owned several flash cards in the past and it makes me buy the games because I love playing them so much.

And if it wasn't for flash cards I wouldn't have been able to play an english-translation of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake on my MSX2+ computer; and that game cost ~$200.

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- Buying one will encourage those scumbags to produce other similiar (ILLEGAL) products! Those damn pirates!! They're probably producing similiar things for GBA and NDS.


I hope Neoflash's products will force Tototek to get off their ass, and start producing better products. Their TTK pce card is cheaper but Neoflash's product looks so much cooler.


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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2006, 06:01:08 AM »
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Keep in mind what is being encouraged when you buy these flash carts. GBA and NDS flash carts are being developed by the same manufacturer. Scumbags.

I'd rather use these flash cards to test new code on actual hardware. :D

The company makes the product. The user uses it for whatever. Whose problem is it if the user uses it for something illegal...the user's or the company's? On that same token...should we hold Smith And Wesson accountable for all murders and other gun-related crimes committed using their guns?

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2006, 06:18:13 AM »
I don't know, i haven't used an emulator or played any roms since the 90's but i don't really have anything against them.  I think of it the same way i think of downloading music or making tapes--I spend my usual amount of money on Cds/LPs every month and whatever "free" music i get allows me to check out more bands than i could ever afford.  I think tapes, CDr's and MP3's suck and i do everything i can to get songs on a real format and support the artists i care about.
Just as there are old out of print records that i'll never be able to find or afford, there are games like Magical Chase and Bonk 3 that are way out of my range.  I hate playing console games on my computer and for that reason i might pick up one of these Flash Cards.

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Keep in mind what is being encouraged when you buy these flash carts. GBA and NDS flash carts are being developed by the same manufacturer. Scumbags.


I put people who pirate mainstream, contemporary video games down there with the idiots who download Top 40 music (i'm a music snob if you can't tell).  I have no idea why they'd want to do such a thing but certainly don't feel any sympathy for Nintendo or Sony.  It's not like they're feeble little mom and pop companies that would go under without our grassroots support.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2006, 06:55:16 AM »
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On that same token...should we hold Smith And Wesson accountable for all murders and other gun-related crimes committed using their guns?


Not really, but what if guns didn't exist? Sure, people would still murder, but I'm sure things would be a lot better if guns didn't exist.

That company makes flash carts because they know people want to pirate games. Nobody buys flash carts to be able to play "homebrew." (Except you and a few others.)  :wink:

If all people thought piracy was wrong, nobody would buy flash carts. If there were no such thing as flash carts and other similiar products (mod chips, etc), (console-related) piracy wouldn't be anywhere near as big as it is today.