Author Topic: So who is getting this new PC Engine Flash Cart? (Read 1151 times)

nodtveidt · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2006, 01:17:59 PM »

I don't even think it's all that big of a deal...throughout the history of our industry, I cannot think of a single game development company that has gone under because of game software piracy...

Bonknuts · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2006, 02:40:27 PM »

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I'd rather use these flash cards to test new code on actual hardware.

Totally agree. I bought the Tototek card awhile back for dev reasons. Except for turbo express, I couldn't see using it for roms. IMO emulators piped to the TV look much better than the real thing thanks to filtering, nice color gamma corrections, and what not (480p btw not 480i). Back in the day, I always had to turn the sharpness down when play my TG/Duo and then turn it back up when playing SNES/MD.

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Not really, but what if guns didn't exist? Sure, people would still murder, but I'm sure things would be a lot better if guns didn't exist.

I can empathize, but getting rid of guns would just be a band-aid fix. Actually it wouldn't fix anything. The problem lies in the a maturity(or the lack) of the human race, let alone the problems with in the different levels of society.

Keranu · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2006, 05:21:58 PM »

It's a pretty cool device, but I won't get it because it's rather expensive and I collect games. I still do my fair share of pirating, but I try to collect games. This would be a awesome device to buy though if I were to test all of these PCE programmer's demos on actual hardware with or to play any super rare/expensive games I might not ever get

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MotherGunner · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2006, 05:27:31 PM »

Awesome points everyone! Keep those ideas coming. This is becoming an interesting thread!

Having heard all opinions, I believe that none of us here would use the PCE Flash cart for "Pirate" reasons. We all have our own idea of how we are going to use it.

Even if I get one, Im still going to buy games. And yes Bonk 3 and Dynastic Hero (my current CD want) are at the top of my list.

In the mean time, I can't afford to go as high as $300 plus. So for now I have to settle for a device such as this flash cart.

Even if we all went out and bought more turbo games, who benefits? Does the industry?

As stated before in another thread. I hope that companies such as Messiah create new hardward for our turbo games. It would be cool to see a "Generation NEC" (as opposed to NeX)

FM-77 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:09:13 AM »

Quote from: "nodtveidt"

I don't even think it's all that big of a deal...throughout the history of our industry, I cannot think of a single game development company that has gone under because of game software piracy...

There are plenty! The only one I can think of right now is Mantra (a Korean company). They went bankrupt for piracy and nothing else.

Spector · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:11:55 AM »

Forget about software houses going under due to piracy - what about whole games systems? The Dreamcast was severely crippled by the lack of protection from CD-R rips.

sunteam_paul · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2006, 04:12:50 AM »

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Forget about software houses going under due to piracy - what about whole games systems? The Dreamcast was severely crippled by the lack of protection from CD-R rips.

Yet the PlayStation thrived despite a massive amount of pirated games.

MotherGunner · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:34:36 AM »

Quote from: "sunteam_paul"

Quote from: "Spector"
Forget about software houses going under due to piracy - what about whole games systems? The Dreamcast was severely crippled by the lack of protection from CD-R rips.

Yet the PlayStation thrived despite a massive amount of pirated games.

Agreed, The Playstation thrived, and Nintendo remains a niche market.

Bonknuts · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:45:34 AM »

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Forget about software houses going under due to piracy - what about whole games systems? The Dreamcast was severely crippled by the lack of protection from CD-R rips.

CD-R rips were not the downfall to the Dreamcast. Dreamcast GD-ROM to CD-R rips were pretty much took off after 2002.

Black Tiger · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2006, 06:53:48 AM »

Although people can argue whether or not "piracy", if you even want to call it that, -when people download and play games for free as opposed to paying for illegal copies... of long 'dead' games for 'dead' systems...

-there'd be alot less of either if companies not only spent the 1% development cost(compared to a modern game) to put out some real "classic" collections, with real extras/special features.

First of all, whether there is a high concentration of crap or good games, we should be seeing more like 100 old moldy games on a single compilation, not a dozen or less.

And there should be all kinds of crazy options, from game genie-type tricks to improved framerates, and slowdown/flicker elimination to real graphical overhauls.

They don't need to redraw the art(for alternate versions), but how about upping the colors and possbibly the resolutions and PCE style CD quality soundtracks would also be nice.

I'd also like to see as many demos, builds, variants, etc of games as well as every scrap of pre & post-production art that a studio can find.

And would it really cost more than the price of a "real" game to license all the other games which a developer doesn't own rights to, for an old platform... so we get an Atari/Intellivision/etc collection that actually features every game ever made?

Capcom got away with as few games on their collection(still more than some others) since they've got so many high quality games that hold up better than other developers' titles. And at least they gave us a few features, although I didn't need nor will I ever watch the anime thats on the disc.

I'd like to buy the Tototek flash card some day and I will be using it to run some of the few decent HuCards roms that I happen to not own yet(which I already play on my MAME cabinet anyway).

But I also already own like 300-400 original PCE games and am not going to slowdown collecting them anytime soon.

Black Tiger · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2006, 07:14:46 AM »

Oh yeah, to the people who made some comments about scumbags ripping off game companies...

-don't forget that game companies rip each other off every chance they get, push the boundaries of what legal in different parts of the world, screw individuals in the development community who actually create hits & classics, put out and market immoral software to children and hardware manufactures try to monopolize the market by whatever means necassary(how many times has Nintendo been fined?).

Don't forget about EA, the one company that actually got caught enforcing disgusting labour "conditions".

You think that any of the companies that 'licensed' out Tetris before Alexey Pajitnov escaped the USSR put aside a fund and/or just cut him a check and sent him 30 million dollars as soon as he got out of there?

Is the Generation NEX moral and un-pirate-enabling just because of a technicality its now no longer illegal in some countries?

Too many business' don't give an eff about whats moral and often about whats even legal and just try to do whatever they think they can get away with.

They're all scumbags, the pirate-enablers and too many game companies that happen to be crooked when it suits them, but its not like we're dealing with a single one sided evil here.

Spector · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2006, 09:25:43 AM »

Quote from: "sunteam_paul"

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Forget about software houses going under due to piracy - what about whole games systems? The Dreamcast was severely crippled by the lack of protection from CD-R rips.

Yet the PlayStation thrived despite a massive amount of pirated games.

But doesn't a Playstation need to be chipped to play CD-R games?

vestcoat · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2006, 09:49:28 AM »

Thank you Black Tiger! great points.
I know very little about the new generation of systems these days, and maybe there are some cool, under-dog developers out there, but Working Designs was the last one game company i actually cared about and might have gotten pissed at people pirating their software. With WD gone, i don't care what kids do these days.

As far as the flash cart goes, Keranu summed it up exactly:
1) It's expensive
2) I collect games

and yes Spector, a Playstation does need to be modified to play CDr's or imports. i'm not sure if it was always like or if they installed that protection after a couple years

Spector · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2006, 10:14:21 AM »

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and yes Spector, a Playstation does need to be modified to play CDr's or imports. i'm not sure if it was always like or if they installed that protection after a couple years

Well that's my point about the Dreamcast. The DC didn't need modded, which was a bizarre decision. If the Playstation had been like that in 1998 when CD burning was relatively cheap and commonplace, then it would have been commercially damaged, no doubt about it.

pixeljunkie · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2006, 10:38:56 AM »

meh, I won't get one purely because I enjoy the hunt for games almost as much as playing them. Honestly....I did the GBA flash cart thing. I did the downloaded Dreamcast games things....totally takes the winds out of whatever sail that system was for me. I do NOT want to get burned out on PCE games. Plus, most Hucards can be had for reasonable prices....save a few [Magical Chase as was mentioned] like various show exclusive shmups that are only like one level anyway. I'll stick to the real deal.