Md 68k and hu6280 comparison

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Anyone who says the PCE's sound is inadequate needs to listen to this game:

Just because it didn't always do better than beeps & bloops, doesn't mean it couldn't.

Most every system used "bleeps and bloops" for sound fx in shooters, so trying to finger point to this as being a system fault is kind of anal and hypocritical. This was basically standard fare on any given home system for shooters. That was a decision made by the programmers sound division usually, and not due to any imaginary sound hardware limit other then ram. If they wanted constant digitized sounding explosions or whatever blaring out and cutting in on the music, they could have done that, but I would imagine it would be at the expense of ram, and possibly the annoyance of the player. They had to strike a balance, and that was not always easy to do. At any rate I always considered Parodius to be a fine example of PCE audio. The audio was clean and well defined, and very upbeat musically. The voice samples were also very clear. Stage 2 in fact is quite impressive for the system, both visually and audio wise. Considering the hardware the arcade original used, this was a pretty good port all things considered.


I think there is a good reason why we didn't see any Gradius or Parodius titles on MD/Genesis. I honestly don't think they would have ported over well given the VDP's limits on color, etc. It def was not due to being hardware exclusive, since both Snes and PCE got ports of Konami shooters from the series. It probably had more to do with them looking at the 3 platforms and just realizing the MD would have done the weakest job of it and ended up being unnecessary (the Saturn got Konami's arcade shooter love though). Sales in Japan were already low for the MD as is anyway. What support they gave the system was always considered a mixed blessing too. Stuff like Sunset Riders clearly didn't port over well at all, and even TMNT looked pretty bland visually due to the color limits (clearly they had to make sacrifices to the sprites they reused from Turtles in Time).

Bloodlines looked good, but they got to cater that game from the ground up around the VDP and it still didn't match Dracula X's visuals.  People cant use cart versus cd storage as an excuse here either, as both Snes Castlevania titles hold up well against Dracula X, visually or otherwise). This was the case with most Konami titles more catered to the MD VDP, compared to the few "ports" they attempted. Port wise their strongest title was probably Lethal Enforcers or Snatcher. That's not really saying much.

[touko]

Dude, it's like 8-bit, that's like 8 bits less than the MD.  Unless you include the BIOS upgrades from the system 3.0 card duh....

ahahah great, a trick for you ..
If you choose the pygmy language in system3 menu, you can boost the PCE into a 32 bit console ..  

[Tatsujin]

The pce already has itself proofed to be 32-bits, it outrunned both the MD and SNES.

2*16-bit = 32-bit

[touko]

LOL,you also know this trick  

[ProfessorProfessorson]

The pce already has itself proofed to be 32-bits, it outrunned both the MD and SNES.

2*16-bit = 32-bit

When in doubt, use Atari or SNK math.

[Black Tiger]

Dude, it's like 8-bit, that's like 8 bits less than the MD.  Unless you include the BIOS upgrades from the system 3.0 card duh....

 Ah-hahaha. Few here will get that joke/reference. You do know that I'm tomaitheous from sega-16, right?

oh lol, let me guess. you put a trap in his way and he promptly fell into?

When EvilEvoIX first started all of this crap on sega-16, he wasted many more pages than this in multiple threads,  swearing up and down that HuCards, especially the crappier games, showed everything that the PCE could possibly do (just like here, he would cite top tier MD games and lower end PCE games as a rational comparison). He went on and on about how the CD-ROM was a major hardware upgrade and that the stock PCE could not handle any CD game, even without the CD music and adpcm.

After programmers, tech experts and everyone else pointed out the obvious for a long tine, he finally switched his tactic to insisting that the System Cards are bios upgrades which transform the PCE hardware, giving it new capabilities. Basically the same thing as the 32X, but not quite as much of a boost in power and special abilities. Kind of like some of the websites during the late 90's, which claimed that the power of the Arcade Card grants the PCE Playstation level realtime 3D capabilities.

Again, he argued this for way too long and lost what was left of any respect within the forum. When he decided that he still wanted to be a part of the 'hardcore gaming' community, he embarrassingly went out of his way to parody himself as often as he could, no matter how out of place it was in a discussion. The idea was to convince everyone that wasn't such and an ignorant fool and had actually just been joking around all along. Except it only cemented his image of total lack of self awareness, as he couldn't figure out that instead of saving face, this would mean that he was really just a relentless troll all along.

If he had instead simply apologized for being so thick and wasting everyone's time and admitted that he was totally wrong  but understands now..  THAT would have had the desired effect. But his recent tirade here has only proven that he was serious all along, as well as addicted to trolling/flame wars.

Maybe the 180 degree switch to suddenly saying the exact opposite of his recent arguments and winking and nudging will fool a couple people. But this thread has shown that it's only a matter of time before he tries doing all of this again any where that will listen.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

How many forums has he tried this shit on exactly, and how long has he been doing this? I am surprised he wasn't ousted for this early on here. If I had known I'd never had sold anything PCE related to him realizing he had no respect for the system or anything.

[Black Tiger]

How many forums has he tried this shit on exactly, and how long has he been doing this? I am surprised he wasn't ousted for this early on here. If I had known I'd never had sold anything PCE related to him realizing he had no respect for the system or anything.

He said both that everyone agreed with him in the neo-geo forums as well as many people strongly disagreed with him.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he came here to actually learn about the PCE before judging it. He seems to be interested in becoming another "hardcore gaming" celebrity on youtube. The kind that is considered an expert if they own a PCE system and prove it by showing it on camera.

He also argued that the PCE sux because all the games and all the hardware is more expensive than Genesis stuff. I guess that after he was told that people actually buy stuff for half the eBay prices he was quoting, he figured that if anyone deserves to scoop up the kinds of steals that gougers say we lie about, it should be him.

[Arkhan]

Wait you mean the Super Grafx + Arcade Card doesn't compete with the Playstation?

f*ck.

[VenomMacbeth]

Most every system used "bleeps and bloops" for sound fx in shooters, so trying to finger point to this as being a system fault is kind of anal and hypocritical.

Was this directed at me?  Because, I don't mind the bleeps & bloops...

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Most every system used "bleeps and bloops" for sound fx in shooters, so trying to finger point to this as being a system fault is kind of anal and hypocritical.

Was this directed at me?  Because, I don't mind the bleeps & bloops...

It was but not in a negative way. It was more of a addition to what you had already stated/point you were making. I figured you were replying to assface and his invalid hypocritical complaining about all PCE games sounding like bleeps and bloops.

How many forums has he tried this shit on exactly, and how long has he been doing this? I am surprised he wasn't ousted for this early on here. If I had known I'd never had sold anything PCE related to him realizing he had no respect for the system or anything.

He said both that everyone agreed with him in the neo-geo forums as well as many people strongly disagreed with him.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he came here to actually learn about the PCE before judging it. He seems to be interested in becoming another "hardcore gaming" celebrity on youtube. The kind that is considered an expert if they own a PCE system and prove it by showing it on camera.

He also argued that the PCE sux because all the games and all the hardware is more expensive than Genesis stuff. I guess that after he was told that people actually buy stuff for half the eBay prices he was quoting, he figured that if anyone deserves to scoop up the kinds of steals that gougers say we lie about, it should be him.

You know when he gave me a link to the unboxing video of the system I sold him, I just kind of rolled my eyes when I realized its one of those guys I sold the thing to. I just don't get the unboxing video thing. I mean, well in some ways I get it, like when people do it for brand new collectors items like box sets, so they can show what all is included. But this crap where its just like "hey look at me me me look and see what I got in the mail brag brag brag" topped with some expert wanna be commentary, I just have to turn away. I only suffered this guys video because I was curious as to how he would treat the system on camera, and honestly I could barely suffer his voice the entire time and kind of cringed a lot at how he handled the Duo-R.

If I ever sell any of this stuff again, if its going to be a matter of a forum related sale I'm going to want to know more about the guy next time since I will hear about it down the road anyway. If its ebay I at least have the benefit of not ever knowing or having some a$$hole send me a video link since most of my buyers could care less what I think about what they got in the mail.

[Tatsujin]

Not to forget that he already tried his 68k nonsense inhere just about
a month or two ago, when he all raged about how strong it is and the
neo geo easily could do games like mario kart, because the 68k is such a
powerfull cpu which is also responsible for all the 3D stuff going on in segas
super scaler games.
Peeps also tried to correct him, but he sure wouldn't lissen, and the thread went
similar ways like this one.

[EvilEvoIX]

Dude, it's like 8-bit, that's like 8 bits less than the MD.  Unless you include the BIOS upgrades from the system 3.0 card duh....

 Ah-hahaha. Few here will get that joke/reference. You do know that I'm tomaitheous from sega-16, right?

oh lol, let me guess. you put a trap in his way and he promptly fell into?

When EvilEvoIX first started all of this crap on sega-16, he wasted many more pages than this in multiple threads,  swearing up and down that HuCards, especially the crappier games, showed everything that the PCE could possibly do (just like here, he would cite top tier MD games and lower end PCE games as a rational comparison). He went on and on about how the CD-ROM was a major hardware upgrade and that the stock PCE could not handle any CD game, even without the CD music and adpcm.

After programmers, tech experts and everyone else pointed out the obvious for a long tine, he finally switched his tactic to insisting that the System Cards are bios upgrades which transform the PCE hardware, giving it new capabilities. Basically the same thing as the 32X, but not quite as much of a boost in power and special abilities. Kind of like some of the websites during the late 90's, which claimed that the power of the Arcade Card grants the PCE Playstation level realtime 3D capabilities.

Again, he argued this for way too long and lost what was left of any respect within the forum. When he decided that he still wanted to be a part of the 'hardcore gaming' community, he embarrassingly went out of his way to parody himself as often as he could, no matter how out of place it was in a discussion. The idea was to convince everyone that wasn't such and an ignorant fool and had actually just been joking around all along. Except it only cemented his image of total lack of self awareness, as he couldn't figure out that instead of saving face, this would mean that he was really just a relentless troll all along.

If he had instead simply apologized for being so thick and wasting everyone's time and admitted that he was totally wrong  but understands now..  THAT would have had the desired effect. But his recent tirade here has only proven that he was serious all along, as well as addicted to trolling/flame wars.

Maybe the 180 degree switch to suddenly saying the exact opposite of his recent arguments and winking and nudging will fool a couple people. But this thread has shown that it's only a matter of time before he tries doing all of this again any where that will listen.

I’m sorry, I don’t remember this story.  What I do remember is dangling a treat over some people’s heads  and watching them jump over and over again.  If you didn’t get the “Bios” rant especially when I stated it married the processors in the Neo Geo board and made it 48 Bit, I believe you will be making an entertaining run time and time again.

To be perfectly honest I pointed out that the System cards allowed more Grafx because of the additional memory, the Bios was a red herring that added about 20 more pages of B.S.  I never pointed out the System cards as a “32x” power increase, cute revisionist history ploy, but ultimately untrue.  Most Sega fan bois and programmers and experts still point out the 68K’s merits and how it can do things the HU6280 would suffer at.

That said all Bios upgrades included, I know every bit of grafx shown on the PCE is pure HU6280 with a big help of a superior color VDP and some dynamic tiles and then a series of memory upgrades to fit more sprites and animation.  No voodoo 32Bit bios unless Hudson has us all fooled   I was way into the Bit-wars as 8-9 year old and even back in the early 90’s I was well aware that the TurboGrafx was powered by an 8-bit CPU which was basically taboo at the lunch table.  Still spent a boat load of cash on Bonk and a Turbo Express.  It ruled and I miss it dearly.

The main topic was the tired and entrenched MD68K Vs. the HU6280 and someone pointed out that the HU6280 did “8-bit things better” which I quoted from Sega-16 and was thoroughly dismissed.  Later posts stated that once 16-bit and 32 bit operations the MD68K retains an advantage but never THE Advantage something like SNK’s MD68K would have in terms of speed and sprites.

It’s no secret I prefer the MD as I can get stacks and stacks of games for $1 and can get a CD add-on that works perfectly for $30.  The MD itself is barely $15 and they basically come free from stacks of games.  It’s a quality system for Mega Cheap.  The only reason my Turbo Collection isn’t any bigger is because it is so much damn money.

I will never apologize for being  “Thick”, I pointed out several times it’s a glandular issue and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

[EvilEvoIX]

Most every system used "bleeps and bloops" for sound fx in shooters, so trying to finger point to this as being a system fault is kind of anal and hypocritical.

Was this directed at me?  Because, I don't mind the bleeps & bloops...

It was but not in a negative way. It was more of a addition to what you had already stated/point you were making. I figured you were replying to assface and his invalid hypocritical complaining about all PCE games sounding like bleeps and bloops
 

How many forums has he tried this shit on exactly, and how long has he been doing this? I am surprised he wasn't ousted for this early on here. If I had known I'd never had sold anything PCE related to him realizing he had no respect for the system or anything.

He said both that everyone agreed with him in the neo-geo forums as well as many people strongly disagreed with him.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he came here to actually learn about the PCE before judging it. He seems to be interested in becoming another "hardcore gaming" celebrity on youtube. The kind that is considered an expert if they own a PCE system and prove it by showing it on camera.

He also argued that the PCE sux because all the games and all the hardware is more expensive than Genesis stuff. I guess that after he was told that people actually buy stuff for half the eBay prices he was quoting, he figured that if anyone deserves to scoop up the kinds of steals that gougers say we lie about, it should be him.

You know when he gave me a link to the unboxing video of the system I sold him, I just kind of rolled my eyes when I realized its one of those guys I sold the thing to. I just don't get the unboxing video thing. I mean, well in some ways I get it, like when people do it for brand new collectors items like box sets, so they can show what all is included. But this crap where its just like "hey look at me me me look and see what I got in the mail brag brag brag" topped with some expert wanna be commentary, I just have to turn away. I only suffered this guys video because I was curious as to how he would treat the system on camera, and honestly I could barely suffer his voice the entire time and kind of cringed a lot at how he handled the Duo-R.

If I ever sell any of this stuff again, if its going to be a matter of a forum related sale I'm going to want to know more about the guy next time since I will hear about it down the road anyway. If its ebay I at least have the benefit of not ever knowing or having some a$$hole send me a video link since most of my buyers could care less what I think about what they got in the mail.

Thanks again for the system dude, it rules!!!  Runs great, still need to upgrade the S-Video to RGB however.  To me, IMHO, the sound of the PCE is a bit scratchy (Not saying the MD doesn't have shitty sounding games) and that's all I have to say about that.

I never ever ever in any way shape or form mentioned that the PCE sucked in any way.  How could it?  It's an indefensible argument.  It is UNFORTUNATE the cost of getting into the system especially state side.  I started like everyone else, a TG16 with RF and one controller which allows you to plat western games.  One Turbo Booster later I got composite and stereo and god forbid I wanted a working CD unit.  I just went duo and then it again has to be modded.

For better or for worse it's a harder system to collect for and it has been all but Hi-Jacked by eBay and private sellers that make it extremely expensive hardware and games.  There is a dude right by me trying to sell a System 3.0 Bios card (the 32Bit expansive hardware bios re-boot similar to a 32X attachment) for $200!?!?!?  That alone should shut down a lot of people.


.A celebrity I am not, I just like playing games.  That un-boxing vid was because I was excited to own a system I’ve always wanted.  What I can't get over, and this never fails, time and time again, the amount of arrogance and elitism from fan bois and self proclaimed Know-it-alls.  Fragile egos shattering so easily and that ever so embarrassing attempt to try and POWNED someone.  The first run of the internet is "You can't win an argument on the internet."  You guys sure tried, what did it get you but a giant aggravation?


Also some of the games you gave me had water damage, I pointed that out and you read from some eBay transcript trying to absolve you of the blame.  Maybe, just maybe, next time mention that some of the games, the books, and the cases were submerged in water and MAY fall apart if you try to read the book.   Say what you want about me, I can take any and all criticism.  But I would NEVER do what you did as a seller.  You said the games were in “good to fair condition”.  And now you want to go on some elitist rant about how dare I be a gamer and blah blah blah poser gamer, embarrassing.

Next time be more honest, I was gona keep my mouth shut on that one but since you feel like you have the right to give people damaged games and not take responsibility for it, I feel the responsibility to let people know.

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[EvilEvoIX]

Not to forget that he already tried his 68k nonsense inhere just about
a month or two ago, when he all raged about how strong it is and the
neo geo easily could do games like mario kart, because the 68k is such a
powerfull cpu which is also responsible for all the 3D stuff going on in segas
super scaler games.
Peeps also tried to correct him, but he sure wouldn't lissen, and the thread went
similar ways like this one.

The Neo Geo can bake you breakfast if you program it properly.  What's not to know about that system?