Carbon fibber stick ons... How she look?

[HercTNT]

Speed is relative. It all depends on the track. I used to live in Indianapolis Indiana and spent alot of time at raceway park. I personally watched a race tuned mini cooper slaughter a vette on a road course due to all the turns the vette had to slow down for. On an oval it would never have happened. To many factors also contribute to that. Dodge neons and Miata's were popular on road courses due to there excellent handling. They did not amount to shit on straightaways. Because of their power vettes had to slow down huge in the right corners at raceway park nullifying there speed. raceway park was 2 and a half miles. If a race tuned Mini cooper and vette started at the same time, the mini cooper always finished first as 1 1/2 miles of the track was tight corners and the vette's advantage gone.

[esteban]

Status: I know not of these things.

[csgx1]

Got to respect the Miata.  They're affordable and make an outstanding track car by adding a few light mods. 

But based on color alone, my vote goes to Sparky's burnt orange Saturn.  That's definitely the faster color.  

[Necromancer]

Indiana must be filled with Vette drivers that don't know how to drive or nothing newer than a C4.

[_joshuaTurbo]

I bet Zeta kicks all sorts of ass at Victory Run.

[RoyVegas]

The Vette had already been blue flagged.
Passing in this run group is only allowed on the back straight and the start/finish straight and in those areas you can see he pulled ahead.
There is no point in driving closer to him when he's already ignoring a blue flag.
You clearly don't understand how this stuff works.

Oh ok, these are all points you're making AFTER your initial post of:

Its not faster than a Viper or a blown Vette, but the driver often is.

Here is a video of a guy with quadruple my horsepower not getting out of my way.

I had no way of knowing any of the above listed info but none the less, I was merely responding to your post of the video and that it didn't seem like you were held up to me.  Now as far as the blue flag, it wasn't a race where he could be penalized for holding you up.  I thought blue flags on a track day were more of a courtesy, am I wrong?

Like I said, if you watch my other videos, the ones where no one is in front of me, I'm much faster. Even the one where I'm held up by another Miata I'm able to go faster.

I actually did watch all of them. Your lap times where you have clear track were 1.30.01 and 1.32.69. Which clearly show you faster with clear track.  The one with the Miata in front of you, you ran 1.38.11 and you ran 1.34.57 with the Vette in front of you.  So actually you wern't faster with the Miata in front of you vs. the Vette, like you're saying. Your slowest video was 1.42.51 w/ the Mustang. Now in that video you are CLEARLY held up by the other drivers.

I don't know why you are being so confrontational with me about it. 

Was just my opinion that you weren't really held up by the Vette with a tiny bit of poking at you w/the Mario Andretti thing.  Relax killer, it's a discussion forum and I'm discussing my opinion.

Nearly every Vette owner is a dick. It's the kind of car a dick is attracted to.

Corvettes are for dicks...  Noted! 

[HercTNT]

Indiana must be filled with Vette drivers that don't know how to drive or nothing newer than a C4.

Like I said, it depends on the track. on the road course we were at, the corners were so many and so tight, the vette spent most of its time under braking, only really getting to open up in the mile long straight away. The Mini coopers, Miata's, Nissans, and Neons were going through the corners at a much higher rate of speed allowing them to easily catch faster cars on the mile and half of turns. There were probably 40 cars on the track competing in three different classes so the vette was not only faster car getting its ass handed to it. Most Road courses benefit better handling cars, not faster ones.

[Necromancer]

Right, because a C6 can't turn a corner and is a poor handling car. 

[jperryss]

Corvettes are for dicks...  Noted!  

Most (not all) Corvette owners are dicks, and share that same snobbish "better than you" club mentality that Harley owners do.

To me, the big difference is that a Harley can still be outperformed in any aspect by a machine half its price. The fact that the Z06 is compared to a Ferrari at probably twice the cost is a testament to that.

[SignOfZeta]

Right, because a C6 can't turn a corner and is a poor handling car. 

A C5/C6 is a better car than a Miata in nearly every category. Even in areas like fuel economy and trunk space, and while its nearly three times the price, the prices start to even out as they age. It's also interesting to note that the most lusted after high dollar mod in the Miata world these days is a Vette engine swap.



0-60 in 3.8 sec, btw.

The reality though is that using the full potential of a late period Vette is nearly impossible. There are very few tracks in the world where they can actually get anywhere near their top speed, possibly none on this side of the Atlantic. Most of the time driving a car that powerful is spend holding back the car's potential, wishing you could get on the power more. With a 100HP Miata you can drive all-out almost constantly with the added bonus of not having to buy a $1200 set of tires every track day.

BTW, Vette owners are some serious a$$holes %90 of the time. This is changing now that Vettes are actually good cars, a recent development, but it's truely a car for a$$holes. Anyone who disagrees is probably too much of an a$$hole to realize how true this is and probably would post a brag picture of themselves in front of a TV running Magical Chase in stretched mode. This isn't some theory I came up with myself, it's a pretty established concept. Even many Vette owners agree, since a$$holes tend to not get along very well with each other when their entire life is essentially a dick measuring contest through a microscope. 

There is even a thread about this issue here on this Vette forum.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f4/why-corvette-owners-considered-pricks-45689/

There are some interesting stories there.

[RoyVegas]

I see, change the subject and take a jab at me, fair enough as I took a poke at you first.

Anyone who disagrees is probably too much of an a$$hole to realize how true this is and probably would post a brag picture of themselves in front of a TV running Magical Chase in stretched mode.

If the people on this forum who were there, and laughed along with me as the pic was taken choose to verify this:  The pic was taken just to stir a little shit with forum members not to brag.  Which clearly worked as your panties are still in a bunch over it.

There is even a thread about this issue here on this Vette forum.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f4/why-corvette-owners-considered-pricks-45689/

There are some interesting stories there.

To me, this post summed it up quite well:

Never let the actions of a few ruin your opinion of the whole group no matter whether it's Corvette owners, democrats, republicans, midgets, teachers, etc.

Solid advice.

[bob]

I traded my Yaris for a V6 Highlander when the twins arrived.  Personally, I hate automobiles.
It's cool people are in to them like any other hobby, but not my thing.

[HercTNT]

Right, because a C6 can't turn a corner and is a poor handling car. 

No, because a c6 needs to break longer and slow down more to handle tighter turns than small cars do. If you don't think thats the case, then why do high speed ovals have high banks to keep cars on the track? On road coarses especially tight ones they often do not have those banks forcing faster more powerful cars to slow down more and for longer distances. smaller cars weigh less and can retain a higher rate of speed throughout the corners as well and break less.  If you don't believe me, turn on Imsa gt racing thats on during the weekends and explain to me why your c6's are getting stomped by audi a8 quatro's on tight road courses.  Now, be smart enough to understand that if you reverse the situation and have few corners and more straightaways the c6 vettes gonna stomp the shit outta most stuff out their.

[SignOfZeta]

Tight tracks are more of an equalizer. With no room to stretch their legs the 700HP race prepared Vettes are on the same turf as the 200 HP race prepared Midget because there is a limit to how well rubber can grip pavement, no matter how much of it you have. It shouldn't actually make the Vette slower though, unless its having trouble keeping its tires and brakes hot or something, and that would only be the case with a really overly prepared Vette, as in LeMans spec.

BTW, banked ovals are banked because slowing down for anything is very unpopular with those sorts of people and the cars are hilariously artificially low tech. There are 180MPH corners in F1 that are more or less perfectly flat. The 130R at Suzuka, for example.

[Sparky]

Hahaha... How did this thread turn into zeta the track master :p.  I hope to own a vette one day, nothing fancy like an 82-84 and yes i will get out the carbin fibber on her . My wife and her girl friends want a mita, bless there hearts.