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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 09:39:41 AM »

Sales figures in general weren't quite as spot on as they are today. Toy Retail Sales tracking managed most of it for the United States and were not the most accurate as their numbers came from a small number of high volume retailers and they averaged those figures based on market share estimates to fill in the blanks.

NEC/TTI definitely knew how many units were manufactured and shipped to retail. But sell-through to consumers was a lot harder to track. I recall hearing stories from TZD about the sheer mass of inventory they got back from Toys R us while TTI was shutting down.

I suspect there were probably 3 times as many TurboGrafx CD systems and Duos sold in the US as there were copies of Cosmic Fantasy 2 sold (meaning my guess is around 60,000). We could throw LaserActive TurboGrafx PAC numbers on there, but it wouldn't increase the number by much if at all. I think the Duo sold quite a bit better than the CD attachment, though still not well enough to be considered more than a niche in North America.

Funny you say this, in the podcast, he states that the DUO didn't add to the user base much at all.  (barely, in his words)
He also makes an estimate that Sega CD was roughly 3X the install base at 60K.
Again, just Vic being Vic

It all plays into his cospiracy of "the only thing that ever held me back was outside forces!", which continued to haunt him as he jumped from console to console.

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But he does mention that WD was responsible for making Sony change the rules in regards to some areas of packaging.  Specifically, he says that Sony used to publish all the manuals themselves (for PS2) and had to be provided the content in order for the manuals to be made.  WD came in and fought this so they could produce higher quality manuals.

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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 09:41:27 AM »

Funny you say this, in the podcast, he states that the DUO didn't add to the user base much at all.  (barely, in his words)
He also makes an estimate that Sega CD was roughly 3X the install base at 60K.
Again, just Vic being Vic

I think that estimate was Sega CD sales around 1993 when Lunar was first published. Not eventual combined North American sales.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 09:57:41 AM »
Probably, I also made an assumption he was speaking in regards to when he was still publishing for both.  So a very small timeframe.

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 11:47:03 AM »
Probably, I also made an assumption he was speaking in regards to when he was still publishing for both.  So a very small timeframe.

Well, the Duo was closing in on its last gasps for breath by the time Lunar came out. If I recall correctly Exile: Wicked Phenomenon came out around July or August of 1993 and Lunar came out in December as their next release. Cosmic Fantasy 3 and those Neo-Geo Ports were still apparently on the schedule while Lunar was being worked on. But as the holiday season of 1993 was not so kind to the Turbo those were cancelled.
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 12:24:56 PM »
Probably, I also made an assumption he was speaking in regards to when he was still publishing for both.  So a very small timeframe.

The Sega-CD sold millions of units. Just how many millions depends on who you ask.
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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 12:39:49 PM »
Really? Got that high?  I would have bet the under at 1,000,000. 

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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 02:56:47 PM »
Didnt shubs 2 actually become shockman?
It did, but it sounds like WD wanted to release Shubs 3 as Shockman 2.

Actually, it was TTI that was going to release it as Shockman 2.  WD was going to call it Cyber Twins according to whichever Shirley Bro. I talked to.  He told me they didn't like Shubibinman 2 at all, & IIRC, they wanted to distance themselves from it.

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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2013, 03:41:38 PM »

Funny you say this, in the podcast, he states that the DUO didn't add to the user base much at all.  (barely, in his words)
He also makes an estimate that Sega CD was roughly 3X the install base at 60K.
Again, just Vic being Vic


It probably didn't help him that the Duo finally had good software on it. I doubt the awful box art of CF2 was going to help sales. At that point, the only new titles from WD were Exile:WP and (sorta) DE2. I'm actually curious if WD got a flat fee for its work on DE2, or got a cut of the profits.

Its interesting hearing about how Vic would literally hop into flame wars with fans back in the day. WD is revered in most collecting circles. From the sounds of it, fans weren't as happy with him and the decisions made in localizations back in the day.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2013, 04:34:57 PM »
Really? Got that high?  I would have bet the under at 1,000,000. 

The Genesis was insanely successful and popular. It would only take a minor percentage of Genesis owners buying Sega-CDs to get up to those numbers. The Sega-CD got the kind of marketing that the TG-16 never did.
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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2013, 04:55:37 PM »
Sales figures in general weren't quite as spot on as they are today. Toy Retail Sales tracking managed most of it for the United States and were not the most accurate as their numbers came from a small number of high volume retailers and they averaged those figures based on market share estimates to fill in the blanks.

I do sales analytics for a large consumer packaged goods company, and even today with RFID tracking and detailed tracking of product from vendor to warehouse to retail, stores still manage to screw up sales figures and inventories (store-level inventory numbers in particular are a crapshoot). I can only imagine how bad it was back in the early 90's.

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Re: Interesting tidbits
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM »
The SEGA CD sold at least 1.5m, if Sonic CD figures are anything to go by. They could very well be false themselves.

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2013, 01:49:21 PM »
The SEGA CD sold at least 1.5m, if Sonic CD figures are anything to go by. They could very well be false themselves.

Which version of the sega cd came with sonic cd in the cardboard case?  Was that the cdx?

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2013, 03:24:27 PM »
The SEGA CD sold at least 1.5m, if Sonic CD figures are anything to go by. They could very well be false themselves.

Which version of the sega cd came with sonic cd in the cardboard case?  Was that the cdx?

Yes, along with cardboard Ecco CD.
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2013, 03:32:38 PM »
And the sega classics w/ Sherlock Holmes?

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2013, 04:33:48 PM »
And the sega classics w/ Sherlock Holmes?

Sega CD model one came with the 4 in 1 disc and Sherlock Holmes in a double case of sorts. Sol Feace was also included
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