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nodtveidt

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Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« on: August 17, 2013, 12:49:32 PM »
If anyone's still playing this game, I figured I'd let out some of its secrets... just in case y'all haven't found everything.

If you don't want anything spoiled, then stop reading this right now... I'm going to reveal some of the game's more obscure things, and even some cheats.

Since this is no longer a "project", I figured it'd be best placed here in the regular forum.

Well anyway, the next posts I make will contain the info.

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2013, 12:57:33 PM »
How to unlock EX Game:

Play through the game in Original mode and acquire Ogien. That's all there is to it. EX Game will become available in the Extras menu.

How to unlock the bonus game:

Complete EX Game. Simple.

Missing Entries In The Bestiary:

Even if you've played through and beaten EX Game, you might have missed one entry in particular, which is the third-to-last entry. This is a super-obscure boss fight that can be found in Ziemja's Canticle. In order to get it, you have to solve the puzzle of Ziemja's Canticle, which is finding the eight treasure boxes and setting them open or closed to form a phrase. It's best to do this after you've already made it to Ogien's Peroration, since the encounters will stop happening and you can do the puzzle unmolested. If you figure out the riddle, you get a secret boss fight.

Also, sometimes missed is the third entry in the Bestiary; an enemy that only hangs out around Fawna.

Missing Entry In The Armory:

If you've not found the secret boss of Ziemja's Canticle, you'll be missing the last Armory entry. When you fight the secret boss, make sure you have an Item slot free or else you will miss the unique drop it gives you.

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 12:58:49 PM »
Woo hoo!

(The woo hoo was to your original post but the next post has already garnered another one.)
« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 01:02:20 PM by roflmao »

nodtveidt

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 01:02:01 PM »
OK so now some more details on finding the secret boss...

There are a total of 8 phrases you can spell. The game will give you two of them; only one of them is correct. Here are the eight phrases:

HERRPEACEISRULER
GATHERINGTHESUNS
TEMPTATIONBRINGS
ZIEMJALEADSUSFAR
WJATRRULESBYWIND
WODAWILLFREEZEUS
FEARTHESAPPHIRES
BETRAYERSWILLDIE

The secret boss is actually an inside joke from early development of the game. When you kill it, it drops Oblivion, a sword with an attack power 10 times higher than the Chaos Sword.

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 01:05:32 PM »
And now... CHEATS.

Mysterious Song contains two cheats. The first one is the debugger. To access it, hold down II and I on the language select screen, and press Select 31 times. Aside from being able to view all the cutscenes, this will also allow you to start the game with "Super Start"; that is, it starts Spear with enough experience points to reach level 83 (after 82 battles, since you can only gain 1 level per battle). O starts the game in Original mode, B starts the game in Balanced mode, and EX starts EX Game. You can also immediately access the bonus game here as well.

The second cheat is in the bonus game. On the character select screen, hold down the Select button and press I. You'll play as Lum from Urusei Yatsura.

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 02:40:39 PM »
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between Balanced, Original, and EX?
May be some others with the same question.  Or I'm just saying that to make myself feel better.

nodtveidt

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 02:55:54 PM »
Original is the "hard" version; it uses all of the original algorithms and statistics. Balanced is a tweaked version that is somewhat easier. EX is Original + an optional superdungeon.

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 10:09:21 PM »
And now for some maps...

Woda's Envoi, start and end maps:
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ex1.png

Ziemja's Canticle, start and end maps:
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ex2.png

Ogien's Peroration, start and end maps:
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ex3.png

The Crystal Maze (the central area of Ogien's Peroration):
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-crystalmaze.png

There are two ways through The Crystal Maze: either find your way through the maze itself, or jump into one of the blue teleport blocks and hope you get lucky. It'll spit you out at a random location on the map; maybe closer to the exit, maybe further away. It's a gamble. Also, The Crystal Maze stays active after the boss is defeated, unlike the previous two layers of the EX Dungeon.

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 10:36:51 PM »
OK, so here's how the EX Dungeon "random maps" works...

There are a total of 64 pre-defined maps. Woda's Envoi has 32 of them, Ziemja's Canticle has the other 32 of them. When the game is booted up, it randomly selects 20 maps: 12 for Woda's Envoi, and 8 for Ziemja's Canticle. You only go through six maps in Woda's Envoi, but these six are different depending on if you go through the A exit or the B exit.

Each of these maps is actually a collection of 36 "rooms". There are a total of 40 different "room" types, and they are arranged in a 6x6 pattern. Each "room" is 16x14 tiles in size, or 256x224 pixels in size, so each map is up to 96x84 tiles in size, or 1536x1344 pixels in size. This was the only way so many maps could be crammed into such limited space; if I had gone with a "true" random map generator, each rebuild would have taken a long time to finish, and including 32 single large maps would have been fast but would have consumed massive amounts of memory. This method was a good tradeoff between rebuild speed and storage size.

Here's the two templates. The "rooms" start at 0 and go from left to right, up to down. So, the upper left one is 0, the one to the right of it is 1, etc. The one below "room" 0 is 5, the one below that one is 10, etc etc. You get the idea.

http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-wodatemplate.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemjatemplate.png

"Parasite Eve" uses this same exact method in its superdungeon, and was the inspiration not only for Mysterious Song's EX Dungeon design, but for the whole EX Game concept.

Some trivia here... originally, Ogien's Peroration was also supposed to have randomized central maps, but the idea was scrapped in favor of the singular Crystal Maze. Much like the previous portions, it had a template, and maps were constructed ahead of time using the template.

http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ogientemplate.png

These maps were not in the final build of the game and I don't remember if there are any surviving prototypes that actually use them.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 10:49:32 PM by The Old Rover »

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2013, 12:57:22 AM »
I love you!

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2013, 01:17:15 AM »
I didn't want to read any spoilers so I can only say this: I eagerly look forward to reading this thread a some point in the future 

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2013, 04:43:53 AM »
I modified the display program for the superdungeon to allow dumping each one to an image. Thus, I present all 64 maps, in scaled-down glory.

Woda's Envoi

http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda1.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda2.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda3.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda4.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda5.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda6.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda7.png (this map has a cosmetic error)
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda8.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda9.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda10.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda11.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda12.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda13.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda14.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda15.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda16.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda17.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda18.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda19.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda20.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda21.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda22.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda23.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda24.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda25.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda26.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda27.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda28.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda29.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda30.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda31.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-woda32.png

Ziemja's Canticle

http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja1.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja2.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja3.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja4.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja5.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja6.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja7.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja8.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja9.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja10.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja11.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja12.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja13.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja14.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja15.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja16.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja17.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja18.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja19.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja20.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja21.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja22.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja23.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja24.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja25.png (this map is actually unfinishable)
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja26.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja27.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja28.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja29.png (easiest map ever)
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja30.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja31.png
http://www.frozenutopia.com/msr-ziemja32.png
« Last Edit: August 18, 2013, 04:55:30 AM by The Old Rover »

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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2013, 04:45:16 AM »
You'll play as Lum from Urusei Yatsura.

f*ck yeah!  :mrgreen:
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Re: Mysterious Song unleashed... MAJOR SPOILERS
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 03:16:42 AM »
I just can't say enough good things about Mysterious Song.  Excellent homage to the 16-bit era of RPG's.
I'm super excited to get started on EX.

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 09:08:09 AM »
http://www.gamefaqs.com/turbocd/702040-mysterious-song/faqs/67620

^^^ complete walkthrough I wrote for gamefaqs.com under yet another pseudonym.