TG-16 shoot-'em-ups which are quite different from their PC Engine releases

[Bardoly]

So, I'm creating both a list of PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 Shoot-'Em-Ups categorized by their respective sub-genres, and I want to clarify which TurboGrafx-16 shoot-'em-ups are different enough from the PC Engine release to classify them as a different game  - for example, IVANEC at The Brothers Duomazov says that Sinistron (TG-16) and Violent Soldier (PC Engine) are different enough, that he classifies them as completely different games.

So, from the below list of 27 TG-16 shoot-'em-ups, when compared to their PC Engine release, which ones are different enough (gameplay-wise) to be able to classify them separately?

TurboGrafx-16 name            Format   Sub-genre                PC Engine name

Aero Blasters                           Hu   horizontal                 Aero Blasters
Air Zonk                                 Hu   horizontal                  PC Denjin: Punkic Cyborgs
Blazing Lazers                          Hu   vertical                    Gunhed
Buster Bros.                            CD   vertical static screen  Pomping World / Pang
Cotton, Fantastic Night Dreams  CD   horizontal                 Cotton, Fantastic Night Dreams
Cyber-Core                             Hu   vertical                    Cyber Core
Dead Moon                             Hu   horizontal                  Dead Moon: Gessekai No Akumu
Deep Blue                               Hu   horizontal                 Deep Blue: Kaitei Shinwa
Dragon Spirit                           Hu   vertical                    Dragon Spirit
Fantasy Zone                          Hu   horizontal                 Fantasy Zone
Forgotten Worlds                     CD   horizontal                 Forgotten Worlds
Galaga '90                              Hu   vertical                    Galaga '88
Gate of Thunder                      CD   horizontal                 Gate of Thunder
Lords of Thunder                     CD   horizontal                 Winds of Thunder
Magical Chase                         Hu   horizontal                 Magical Chase
Monster Lair                           CD   platformer hybrid        Wonder Boy III: Monster Lair
Ordyne                                  Hu   horizontal                 Ordyne
Psychosis                               Hu   horizontal                 Paranoia
R-Type                                  Hu   horizontal                 R-Type I & R-Type II
Raiden                                   Hu   vertical                    Raiden
Side Arms, Hyper Dyne             Hu   horizontal                 Side Arms, Hyper Dyne
Sinistron                                Hu   horizontal                 Violent Soldier
Soldier Blade                          Hu   vertical                     Soldier Blade
Space Harrier                         Hu   into-the-screen         Space Harrier
Super Air Zonk                       CD   horizontal                 CD Denjin: Rockabilly Paradise
Super Star Soldier                   Hu   vertical                    Super Star Soldier
Syd Mead's Terraforming          CD   horizontal                 Terraforming


If I am missing any games from this list, then please inform me, so that I can update this list.

[Black Tiger]

Psychosis/Paranoua also hsve different stage order.

Zonk/Denjin is almost as different as KC&KC/JJ&Jeff localization-wise.

Even more so for Magical Chase, which I'd count for sure.

BlaZing LaZers looks and plays the sane in-game, but is completely missing a license which was pretty much in name only. I believe that some tricks/modes only work in Gunhed.

Lords of Thunder plays the same, but is missing s lot of content.

I'd count R-Type.

[esteban]

Bardoly, this is a great follow-up/extension of http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=1922.0 !

I have been working on something using the info from the other thread, but I'm glad you posted this because I can incorporate the new info, now (I'll PM you).

ALSO: I'm including the "shooter-within-another game" info, too.

     

Psychosis/Paranoua also hsve different stage order.

Zonk/Denjin is almost as different as KC&KC/JJ&Jeff localization-wise.

Even more so for Magical Chase, which I'd count for sure.

BlaZing LaZers looks and plays the sane in-game, but is completely missing a license which was pretty much in name only. I believe that some tricks/modes only work in Gunhed.

Lords of Thunder plays the same, but is missing s lot of content.

I'd count R-Type.

R-Type is interesting: not only is there the 2 separate JP HuCARDS --> 1 NA HuCARD (eliminating the password continue stuff...does anyone have screenshots of that? I'd love screenshots from R-Type 1 (displaying password/directions) and R-Tyoe 2 (input password).


What was the technical discussion (Covell!) about the screen resolution changing/flicker/sprites with R-Type1/2 (JP) vs R-Type Complete CD (JP) vs R-Type (NA)? why do I recall something about NA HuCARD possessing (theoretically?) the least amount of flicker?

R-Type Complete CD adds cinemas + RedBook soundtrack, eliminates password system...

Black_Tiger, I'd love to get the nitty gritty differences between the other games you listed.  

I LOV THIS SORT OF THING....the nuances between versions....

[turboswimbz]

Not sure if you want to add this to the overall list when you make it but a special note to make might be in the case of Super Raiden (and side arms special?) which plays just diffrently enough and adds a couple of levels.  perhaps note as remakes?

 

[esteban]

Not sure if you want to add this to the overall list when you make it but a special note to make might be in the case of Super Raiden (and side arms special?) which plays just diffrently enough and adds a couple of levels.  perhaps note as remakes?

I think Raiden CD plays identical to HuCARD, but has two extra levels (Redbook, etc.)....

SideArms Special CD has TWO games: Original version (same as HuCARD, outside of RedBook) @@@and@@@ completely revamped "BC" mode w/ graphic and level design changes.

"Before Christ" mode deserves mention!



Then there's this: Daisenpuu Custom HuCARD superior to CD

[MrPoppy]

Lords of Thunder plays the same, but is missing s lot of content.

That's the first I've heard of this, what's the deal?

[turboswimbz]

Not sure if you want to add this to the overall list when you make it but a special note to make might be in the case of Super Raiden (and side arms special?) which plays just diffrently enough and adds a couple of levels.  perhaps note as remakes?

I think Raiden CD plays identical to HuCARD, but has two extra levels (Redbook, etc.)....

SideArms Special CD has TWO games: Original version (same as HuCARD, outside of RedBook) @@@and@@@ completely revamped "BC" mode w/ graphic and level design changes.

"Before Christ" mode deserves mention!



Then there's this: Daisenpuu Custom HuCARD superior to CD

I spent quite a bit of time with both, right after each other, and to me while identical in enemies, background ect. your ship in super raiden is just the slightest bit of faster and more responsive.  while the backgrounds in the hu version seems slightly more textured.  But there was no real change in difficulty i could tell.   WHile I wouldn't call it diffrent by any strech of the meaning I thought it might be interesting to note it as a remake wiht added levels.

[Necromancer]

Lords of Thunder plays the same, but is missing s lot of content.

That's the first I've heard of this, what's the deal?

"a lot" is an overstatement; the PCE version's shop keeper talks to you and its intro is narrated. 

[Black Tiger]

Lords of Thunder plays the same, but is missing s lot of content.

That's the first I've heard of this, what's the deal?

"a lot" is an overstatement; the PCE version's shop keeper talks to you and its intro is narrated. 

I recently compared the three versions. Off the top of my head, the title screen is missing the tombstone artwork and has a simple logo (unlike the Sega version's faithful logo), narration is also missing from the middle cinema and the pre-final boss speech lacks voice acting. Compared to other entries on this list and how much emphasis retro gamers place on voice acting being the big difference between CDs and carts, it's significant.


I wouldn't count Turbo HuCards that aren't different than PCE HuCards when a third CD version is also available. The Turbo/PCE versions are the same and the CD version is something else.


Gate of Thunder for Turbo has a cool new interactive intro and 3 major mini-games.


The Turbo version of R-Type runs in a narrower horizontal resolution to reduce flicker/break up.

[Keith Courage]

Sinistron is easier difficulty wise than Violent soldier. Also the stage with the asteroids is much different.