Ys Book I & II (TGCD) Vs Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES) which game is better?

[geise]

Yes that comparison definitely needs a thread of it's own.  Both games are amazing. 

[Black Tiger]

Gulliver Boy is unique as far as traditional JRPGs go and a comparison to Lunar SSS wouldn't be much different than this one. Something like the Tengai Makyous or Cosmic Fantasy <3 would be much more comparable to the Lunars.

I think that a "which do you prefer/enjoy more?" is a better topic than the argument baiting "which is better".

[seieienbu]

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

In this vein, perhaps a Zelda 2 vs Ys 3 comparison thread would be in order?

[esteban]

I think that a "which do you prefer/enjoy more?" is a better topic than the argument baiting "which is better".

Indeed. It shift things away from trying to "prove" that an argument is universally true (which is impossible), and allows us to do what we do best: persuade each other

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

In this vein, perhaps a Zelda 2 vs Ys 3 comparison thread would be in order?

Yes.

CHOPPY SCROLLING IS NEVER A DEAL-BREAKER.

It remains lamentable, of course.

Ys III -- too short and easy. needs more finely-tuned platforming. is charming, though.
Zelda 2 -- challenging, needs its platforming to be refined as well. it scares away folks, thereby ensuring that a devoted, tiny cult develops around it. I am in the cult, but I won't proselytize.

I wish Zelda 2 and Ys III were revisited, back in early 90's, with tweaks and improvements to their basic mechanics, structure, etc. Great potential that needed at least another iteration, IMHO.

I SHOULD WARN YOU THAT I WAS SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED WITH YS III back when it was released because I wanted to get my money's worth and it was too short and easy. Decent game? Sure. Sufficient to satisfy long-suffering TG-CD owners? Hell no. IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, of course, I've learned that I need to appreciate games for what they are, and not penalize them for the unfortunate conditions that existed when they were originally released.

[Black Tiger]

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

In this vein, perhaps a Zelda 2 vs Ys 3 comparison thread would be in order?

Zelda II is again quite a bit different. It's not as big of a deal with other relatively straightforward genres like horizontal shooters. But like I said, this all solved by and leads to much better explanations of personal choice, when asking for favorites instead of judging them against each other. It will also legitimize Black Falcon's comments.

I also don't think there's much of a point of picking random games to match up from different consoles when either happens to already appear on both.

Indeed. It shift things away from trying to "prove" that an argument is universally true (which is impossible), and allows us to do what we do best: persuade each other

I'm not as interested in persuading people as I am in just hearing why people love or hate different games. The best is when people talk about their unique view of a game, whether they like an unpopular game or vice versa or simply play it in a unique way.

[esteban]

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

In this vein, perhaps a Zelda 2 vs Ys 3 comparison thread would be in order?

Zelda II is again quite a bit different. It's not as big of a deal with other relatively straightforward genres like horizontal shooters. But like I said, this all solved by and leads to much better explanations of personal choice, when asking for favorites instead of judging them against each other. It will also legitimize Black Falcon's comments.

Well, personally, it's intriguing that Z2 and Y3 represent the rare moment when a familiar+popular formula is jettisoned for what ultimately becomes the black sheep of each series. I can't help but see both games, especially from the vantage of 2013, as traveling along parallel paths.

All of these layers and trajectories (and fads) in the game industry makes the Z2-Y3 examination ripe for discussion. Are they so dissimilar?

Indeed. It shift things away from trying to "prove" that an argument is universally true (which is impossible), and allows us to do what we do best: persuade each other

I'm not as interested in persuading people as I am in just hearing why people love or hate different games. The best is when people talk about their unique view of a game, whether they like an unpopular game or vice versa or simply play it in a unique way.

Absolutely. That's why we are here. 

[Black Tiger]

Well, personally, it's intriguing that Z2 and Y3 represent the rare moment when a familiar+popular formula is jettisoned for what ultimately becomes the black sheep of each series. I can't help but see both games, especially from the vantage of 2013, as traveling along parallel paths.

Earlier on, while video games were becoming popular in Japan, it wasn't normal to put out a sequel that was essentially the same game. That's why so many early sequels in series were completely different games, -to justify their existence. Unfortunately, people got used to to buying the same games with updates again and again and the concept of per-determined genres became standard and games that don't fit nicely within cookie cutter molds end to be judged unfairly.

I love the battle gameplay in Ys. Unfortunately, Ys II and IV became more Wold of the Battlefield style, which makes it all the more ridiculous when people dismiss them for 'stupid ramming' gameplay. Ys III was only an even more radical departure.

All of these layers and trajectories (and fads) in the game industry makes the Z2-Y3 examination ripe for discussion. Are they so dissimilar?

I think that the kind of discussion you bring up is perfect for these games, but that they're mismatched for this kind of "which is best" head-to-head comparison. War of the Dead is as much like Zelda II as Ys III is, yet is completely different from Ys III.

[awack]

I went with Zelda, I don't like either game that much actually, Now Ys IV is a different story,
By the way, im would love for some one to sell me a English patch Rondo of blood or Ys IV, just message me with a price, i especially want Rondo of blood.

[majors]

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

^This.

Comparing apples and rotten oranges here, Nintendo can only product trite trash for kiddies. OBEY or GTFO.

[Xak]

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

In this vein, perhaps a Zelda 2 vs Ys 3 comparison thread would be in order?

This would have been much more fair of a comparison.

[o.pwuaioc]

Off topic:  Why in the hell is this not a Zelda VS Neutopia thread?

In this vein, perhaps a Zelda 2 vs Ys 3 comparison thread would be in order?

This would have been much more fair of a comparison.

Except I don't know anyone who would actually give Zelda 2 the advantage. It's easily Ys III, even the SNES and Genesis ports.

[Bernie]

Gonna have to go with Zelda on this one.  I really enjoyed the Ys, and although it is an awesome game....IMO, Link to the Past just outdoes it.

[geise]

What do you like about Zelda over Ys Bernie?

[greedostick]

ha! I just posted a very similar poll and saw this one after. Y's is awesome, but is no Dynastic Hero

[nodtveidt]

I honestly can't decide. LttP has somewhat better gameplay, but there's nothing wrong with the gameplay in Ys either. LttP lacks creativity in storyline and world design, Ys lacks variety in combat design. The story in Ys buries LttP several times over, but the variety of things you can utilize in LttP makes Ys feel extremely limited. Usually, if one game has a much better story but much worse gameplay, the one with the worse story and better gameplay will get my vote. However, despite being limited in what you can do in Ys versus what you can do in LttP, Ys is still very playable. I've played both games dozens of times and I love them both. I can't decide so I have to abstain from voting on this one. I'm not a fanboy so Ys doesn't get a fanboy vote.