PCE CD ROM Not Reading CDRs

[Bernie]

There's the option of having professional CD-Rs done. Though this would have to be a group order, to keep the cost down. Professional CD-R replication is for short runs, but there are companies that offer this service for older embedded systems that have a harder time reading newer burned CD-Rs. It's not as fancy as pressing a CD, but it's a higher grade generation than simply using off the shelf CD-Rs and a consumer grade burner. Plus, you can get them ink'd on the top (whatever image you want).

 Not a bad choice if people wanted to do a small run of translations or such (non-profit, just the total cost of the smallest batch split between members).

THIS!!!

[wolfman]

There's the option of having professional CD-Rs done. Though this would have to be a group order, to keep the cost down. Professional CD-R replication is for short runs, but there are companies that offer this service for older embedded systems that have a harder time reading newer burned CD-Rs. It's not as fancy as pressing a CD, but it's a higher grade generation than simply using off the shelf CD-Rs and a consumer grade burner. Plus, you can get them ink'd on the top (whatever image you want).

 Not a bad choice if people wanted to do a small run of translations or such (non-profit, just the total cost of the smallest batch split between members).

THIS!!!

Don´t say it too loud...I can see it coming on Ebay...like it did with short runs of VB games (Faceball, to name only one). Shortly afterwards they surface for 200+ on Ebay as "rare". Lol, yeah.

But anyway - cool idea - I would instantly buy a CIB set just to have a translation. 

[bishopcruz]

There's the option of having professional CD-Rs done. Though this would have to be a group order, to keep the cost down. Professional CD-R replication is for short runs, but there are companies that offer this service for older embedded systems that have a harder time reading newer burned CD-Rs. It's not as fancy as pressing a CD, but it's a higher grade generation than simply using off the shelf CD-Rs and a consumer grade burner. Plus, you can get them ink'd on the top (whatever image you want).

 Not a bad choice if people wanted to do a small run of translations or such (non-profit, just the total cost of the smallest batch split between members).

THIS!!!

Don´t say it too loud...I can see it coming on Ebay...like it did with short runs of VB games (Faceball, to name only one). Shortly afterwards they surface for 200+ on Ebay as "rare". Lol, yeah.

But anyway - cool idea - I would instantly buy a CIB set just to have a translation. 

To be fair if we're the a$$holes doing it, at least we're the ones making a profit.  :-"

But for personal use these would be pretty cool, a professionally pressed Ys IV with manual and full dub could be kinda neat, I know repros are popular, but I assume that is because you need them to play on real hardware sans a flash cart. Hell, we could even do cool labels for Fantasy Star Soldier, Xak III and the like.

[wolfman]

There's the option of having professional CD-Rs done. Though this would have to be a group order, to keep the cost down. Professional CD-R replication is for short runs, but there are companies that offer this service for older embedded systems that have a harder time reading newer burned CD-Rs. It's not as fancy as pressing a CD, but it's a higher grade generation than simply using off the shelf CD-Rs and a consumer grade burner. Plus, you can get them ink'd on the top (whatever image you want).

 Not a bad choice if people wanted to do a small run of translations or such (non-profit, just the total cost of the smallest batch split between members).

THIS!!!

Don´t say it too loud...I can see it coming on Ebay...like it did with short runs of VB games (Faceball, to name only one). Shortly afterwards they surface for 200+ on Ebay as "rare". Lol, yeah.

But anyway - cool idea - I would instantly buy a CIB set just to have a translation. 

To be fair if we're the a$$holes doing it, at least we're the ones making a profit.  :-"

But for personal use these would be pretty cool, a professionally pressed Ys IV with manual and full dub could be kinda neat, I know repros are popular, but I assume that is because you need them to play on real hardware sans a flash cart. Hell, we could even do cool labels for Fantasy Star Soldier, Xak III and the like.

I even would volunteer for dubbing a character...I´ve got the equipment at my hands to do it...in case somebody is interested. And adding a foreign accent to a game character can be fun and adds up atmosphere 

[Fidde_se]

There is also the more High-End CD-Rs when only the best is good enough, if you are backing up your own discs and verifies each step bit for bit, it's still not as good pressed and lets not forget all pressed discs are not equally made, a really good burn is better then the cheapest backalley pressed ones.

And a note, biwax is used on cds, pressed and cd-r as when in production it's made by machines and it's going fast, it's there as a layer to see through that the discs don't stick together and can be separated.

Before a disc is copied that should be removed, washed gently in soap and hot water or by ultrasonic cleaning, actually a cd-r chould have this done before burned too but you might make more marks in the surface then the biwax distorted the surface.....

Pressed discs have a more scratch resistant acrylic layer, even cloth makes small marks on CDRs if you look at it under a microscope.

So a test take out a new disc in a cake, it looks clean as a whistle, now breath on it like you were about to clean it, weird marks and spots and whole areas becomes different looking, it's not as clean as it looks.....

Here's some real goodies when it comes to Gold CD-Rs

http://www.kmgdigitalinc.com/premium/gold-preservation-discs Kodak
http://www.mofi.com/product_p/udgcdr1.htm Ultradisc
http://www.mediasupply.com/mamgold.html Various

There has been a very good expensive one, I think it's was made by Kodak and it was at 40$ each,
a disc Deutch Grammophon used for final storage of some of their works in vaults, but seem unable to find it now.

The cheaper CD-Rs degrade in the dye in time while these have very low degradation rate, nearly non existent.

The absolute best is High Quality pressed Gold 24Karat CDs but they are very unusual, I only have one.

[bishopcruz]

There is also the more High-End CD-Rs when only the best is good enough, if you are backing up your own discs and verifies each step bit for bit, it's still not as good pressed and lets not forget all pressed discs are not equally made, a really good burn is better then the cheapest backalley pressed ones.

And a note, biwax is used on cds, pressed and cd-r as when in production it's made by machines and it's going fast, it's there as a layer to see through that the discs don't stick together and can be separated.

Before a disc is copied that should be removed, washed gently in soap and hot water or by ultrasonic cleaning, actually a cd-r chould have this done before burned too but you might make more marks in the surface then the biwax distorted the surface.....

Pressed discs have a more scratch resistant acrylic layer, even cloth makes small marks on CDRs if you look at it under a microscope.

So a test take out a new disc in a cake, it looks clean as a whistle, now breath on it like you were about to clean it, weird marks and spots and whole areas becomes different looking, it's not as clean as it looks.....

Here's some real goodies when it comes to Gold CD-Rs

http://www.kmgdigitalinc.com/premium/gold-preservation-discs Kodak
http://www.mofi.com/product_p/udgcdr1.htm Ultradisc
http://www.mediasupply.com/mamgold.html Various

There has been a very good expensive one, I think it's was made by Kodak and it was at 40$ each,
a disc Deutch Grammophon used for final storage of some of their works in vaults, but seem unable to find it now.

The cheaper CD-Rs degrade in the dye in time while these have very low degradation rate, nearly non existent.

The absolute best is High Quality pressed Gold 24Karat CDs but they are very unusual, I only have one.

Cool info.

I figure MAM-A Silver's should generally be fine though right? I hear they are not QUITE as nice as the gold ones, but should suit the purpose for backing up games, they claim to have a 100 year shelf life, not as nice as the 300+ of the golds, but still not bad.

[Fidde_se]

Nearly as good, the thing is that acrylic can have small cracks in them, were not talking visual cracks here, more in the molecular structure here, and it can let oxygen in and that can make the reflective surface oxidize, and the gold one does not. real pressed cds will all suffer from this in time let it be 20 or 300 years, but one day they all come to an end, should also note that by chemical standards nothing transparent exists, it's just something floating very very slowly so the plastic will go bad and drip away in time, acrylic moves slower then glass though....

Some early commercial pressed cds has developed CD Rot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_rot

Some early were even made with real silver, that oxides in just a decade.

And then there's the bronzing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_bronzing

I might have a CDV (mini laserdisc, multiplexed, analog version of videocd) that's also pressed in gold.

Some sleeves can make marks on discs too, by slowly leaving chemicals and oils, some petroleum based products just don't like each other, so the best storage ever for a cd was invented by Philips in the early eighties, the standard jewelcase, it's dark inside, nothing touches the surface while in it and makes handling it in such a way you never touch the surface, no reason to reinvent the wheel, the best perfect solution is already made.

[bishopcruz]

Nearly as good, the thing is that acrylic can have small cracks in them, were not talking visual cracks here, more in the molecular structure here, and it can let oxygen in and that can make the reflective surface oxidize, and the gold one does not. real pressed cds will all suffer from this in time let it be 20 or 300 years, but one day they all come to an end, should also note that by chemical standards nothing transparent exists, it's just something floating very very slowly so the plastic will go bad and drip away in time, acrylic moves slower then glass though....

Some early commercial pressed cds has developed CD Rot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_rot

Some early were even made with real silver, that oxides in just a decade.

And then there's the bronzing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_bronzing

I might have a CDV (mini laserdisc, multiplexed, analog version of videocd) that's also pressed in gold.

Some sleeves can make marks on discs too, by slowly leaving chemicals and oils, some petroleum based products just don't like each other, so the best storage ever for a cd was invented by Philips in the early eighties, the standard jewelcase, it's dark inside, nothing touches the surface while in it and makes handling it in such a way you never touch the surface, no reason to reinvent the wheel, the best perfect solution is already made.

Damn a lot of info there. Now I'm curious, have there been any reports of CD rot on PCE and Turbo CDs? That would suck a whole lot if it happened to them.

[Fidde_se]

Not that I have heard of, they're one of the absolute first in the business but seems to have used good Japanese pressing plants, most cds with rot or should I say I'v only heard of music cds getting it and only in Europe.

[ClodBuster]

Did actually anybody ever HAVE experienced "CD rot" on pressed media, or just HEARD about it?

I'm not talking about CD-R or LD.

[thesteve]

I had some music cd's rot
They were cought in a flood in 97

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[wolfman]

I finally managed to get EMTEC CDRs to work with my drive - IMGburn did the trick. I burned 10x (slowest possible on my drive), and that was it. Its interesting to see what the software is responsible for! I´ve tried Nero, CD Burner XP and some other app to no avail.
Imgburn did the trick for me!

[Fidde_se]

ImgBurn has the lowest failure rate I have seen, I have moved over to it completely, except for some DC that will need DiscJuggler.

[Bernie]

I finally managed to get EMTEC CDRs to work with my drive - IMGburn did the trick. I burned 10x (slowest possible on my drive), and that was it. Its interesting to see what the software is responsible for! I´ve tried Nero, CD Burner XP and some other app to no avail.
Imgburn did the trick for me!

Yeah ImgBrn is a pretty good program, that appears to handle disc images fairly nicely.

[wolfman]

I finally managed to get EMTEC CDRs to work with my drive - IMGburn did the trick. I burned 10x (slowest possible on my drive), and that was it. Its interesting to see what the software is responsible for! I´ve tried Nero, CD Burner XP and some other app to no avail.
Imgburn did the trick for me!

Yeah ImgBrn is a pretty good program, that appears to handle disc images fairly nicely.

I recently acquired an old Mitsumi 4x CD-Recorder. It wouldn´t do DAO/SAO on IMGBurn, so I switched to Nero. No problemo with Nero, even offers 1x speed without any tweaks. Funny thing is, one drive plays the CDR made with Nero almost without errors, the other one doesn´t do it all....