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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 05:01:23 AM »
You can look up PC Engine games by format, region, genre, etc on this site:

http://pcecp.com/index.php?mode=catalog&action=normalsearch


One of the main filters you can choose is "Format", which is also listed on each game's page.

CD = CD-ROM2 -requires at least System 1.0 card.
SCD = Super CD -requires at least System 3.0 card.
ACD = Arcade Card CD -requires the appropriate Arcade Card for your setup.

Yes, I am already registered with it. Unfortunately the System Card info for each game is missing...but apart from that it´s a great site.
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 05:22:20 AM »
I think it's easier to understand, if you understand the underlying issue first.

 Japanese games don't checked for region detection bit. There is a bit on the system for JP and Other, and games can read this bit to identify the region of the system. 'Other' happens to be North America (Europe test run of the TG doesn't counter, but I believe it's also set to Other).

 The only games that I know of, that check this region bit, are US games. And those are US hucards, not CD games. There's also another method of region protection between the JP and Other region models; the US/Eu systems have the data bus pins in a different physical order. Since Japanese hucard games DON'T check for the region bit, they could normally run on a US/EU system - except for that one small thing that they changes, those 8 data lines on the hucard port. So it keeps US/NA hucards from playing on japaense systems, and vice versa. Even with a flash card, you either have to mod your Japanese system for the region bit or patch every games to bypass it; which ever (for using US hucards on Japanese systems).

 CD games don't check for this. Either US/NA or Japanese ones. Both can be played on either system. I think there are 2-3 games total, CD, that don't run on US models simply because of a bug. One of them is Altered Beast, and that's simply a bug in the software when accessing a system card other than the original 1.0 (even on Japanese systems).

 Where you get in trouble with CD games and different region CD units, is the system cards themselves. Obviously you can just run a JP system card on a US model, and vice versa, as-is (because system cards are hucards).

 If you're buying or have an 'all-in-one unit', then it's usually only the Arcade Card that's an issue; assuming you have a US/NA model. You'll have to mod the system with a bus changing switch, or buy a converter pass-through card. I've heard of problems with pass-through when using it on the Arcade Card, but nothing conclusive. If you have an all-in-one unit (or a SuperCDROM^2 addon), get the Duo version of the Arcade Card. There are less parts to 'fail' inside it, and probably draws a little less juice from the hucard port (which is a problem for some systems and/or weakened AC/DC power units over the years).

 As thesteve said, if you have something like the Turbo Everdrive, then you can run older system cards on all-in-one/supercdrom^2 units. People do this to play Altered Beast, but also to access the system card error screens (sometimes funny animation sequence or mini games like in Rondo of Blood).
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 06:36:35 AM »
One of the main filters you can choose is "Format", which is also listed on each game's page.

CD = CD-ROM2 -requires at least System 1.0 card.
SCD = Super CD -requires at least System 3.0 card.
ACD = Arcade Card CD -requires the appropriate Arcade Card for your setup.

Yes, I know. If you´re new you´re not used to the nomenclature and whats behind it (ie SCD = 3.0)...will take me a while to memorize that.  O:)
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 06:39:55 AM »
I think it's easier to understand, if you understand the underlying issue first.

Indeed, your explanation helped to understand the whole issue better.

If you're buying or have an 'all-in-one unit', then it's usually only the Arcade Card that's an issue; assuming you have a US/NA model. You'll have to mod the system with a bus changing switch, or buy a converter pass-through card. I've heard of problems with pass-through when using it on the Arcade Card, but nothing conclusive. If you have an all-in-one unit (or a SuperCDROM^2 addon), get the Duo version of the Arcade Card. There are less parts to 'fail' inside it, and probably draws a little less juice from the hucard port (which is a problem for some systems and/or weakened AC/DC power units over the years).

My setup is IFU+LT+CDROM2. Am I in trouble with games when I use japanese System Card 3.0/Arcade Pro with US-CDs? I am not sure if I got you right in that regard...
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2014, 06:45:43 AM »
US games will work fine if you use your Arcade Card. Only the games with bugs won't work (ie. Altered Beast, as has already been mentioned).
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2014, 07:10:53 AM »
My setup is IFU+LT+CDROM2. Am I in trouble with games when I use japanese System Card 3.0/Arcade Pro with US-CDs? I am not sure if I got you right in that regard...

Which part of ALL CD GAMES ARE REGION FREE are you not understanding?
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2014, 07:34:13 AM »
My setup is IFU+LT+CDROM2. Am I in trouble with games when I use japanese System Card 3.0/Arcade Pro with US-CDs? I am not sure if I got you right in that regard...

Which part of ALL CD GAMES ARE REGION FREE are you not understanding?

What is your problem?
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2014, 07:47:29 AM »
I don't have one, but you seem to have one in understanding that disc games are 100% region free.  As long as you're using the appropriate system card (which are region specific), you're all set.  It's really not that difficult to understand.
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2014, 11:07:55 AM »
so necro did I get you right there, that I can play all my CD games on my DUO, regardless of its country of origin?
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2014, 01:32:43 PM »
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2014, 09:04:43 PM »
-Arcad Card Pro = Arcad Card Duo + Super system card 3.  So basically it's THE Arcad Card needed by the old cd-rom2 systems, but also works on Duos/Scd

-Cds: region free

-Hucards: not region free

-Altered Beast Cd works only with syscard 1.0.

-SCD/AC games have shorter loadings when running with an AC and in some cases (3x3eyes, don't know others) more frames and cd music during cinematics.

-You can use Jap syscards on a turbo or US syscards on a Pce if region-modded.





Altered Beast CD works without the 1.0 card, you just can't transform into beasts.

Bi-compatible games have different changes when run in the higher system card mode. It's never faster loads, but sometimes entire loads are skipped and sometimes there is different content. 3 x 3 Eyes has WAY longer loads in ACD mode and new content. But it also eliminates some short loads.

The term "Jap" is against forum rules.

Thanks for precision, and really sorry for the bad term, i ignored it was offensive/racist in English langage. My deepest apologies.
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Re: System Card Question
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2014, 02:52:03 AM »
I think it's easier to understand, if you understand the underlying issue first.

Indeed, your explanation helped to understand the whole issue better.

If you're buying or have an 'all-in-one unit', then it's usually only the Arcade Card that's an issue; assuming you have a US/NA model. You'll have to mod the system with a bus changing switch, or buy a converter pass-through card. I've heard of problems with pass-through when using it on the Arcade Card, but nothing conclusive. If you have an all-in-one unit (or a SuperCDROM^2 addon), get the Duo version of the Arcade Card. There are less parts to 'fail' inside it, and probably draws a little less juice from the hucard port (which is a problem for some systems and/or weakened AC/DC power units over the years).

My setup is IFU+LT+CDROM2. Am I in trouble with games when I use japanese System Card 3.0/Arcade Pro with US-CDs? I am not sure if I got you right in that regard...

 No, US CD games will play fine on a CDROM^2 unit with either ACpro or SYScard3.0 . Those cards are backwards compatible with older US CD 2.0 games as well.