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synbiosfan

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2014, 01:03:28 PM »
Many more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.

lol what?  Where are you getting that from?

You see it every trash day where I live. People throwing away appliances that probably just need to be opened and a fuse replaced.

Mathius understood sorry you didn't but that's what I'm getting at. Someone will clean out their attic or basement, find it and go oh yeah, I remember this. When they hook it up and it's dead, they'll toss it. We're talking the average person here and not a site member obviously.

Every year systems and games are tossed by people who are clueless to the worth of the items, have to move and can't be bothered, their kids or pet f*ck it up, fires, floods, you name it.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #76 on: April 22, 2014, 01:16:28 PM »
Many more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.

lol what?  Where are you getting that from?

You see it every trash day where I live. People throwing away appliances that probably just need to be opened and a fuse replaced.

Mathius understood sorry you didn't but that's what I'm getting at. Someone will clean out their attic or basement, find it and go oh yeah, I remember this. When they hook it up and it's dead, they'll toss it. We're talking the average person here and not a site member obviously.

Every year systems and games are tossed by people who are clueless to the worth of the items, have to move and can't be bothered, their kids or pet f*ck it up, fires, floods, you name it.

I did this with my Sega Genesis and Game Gear.  They aren't valuable enough to bother getting fixed, so when they didn't work after I pulled them out of storage, they went in the trash.

I would probably do the same with most systems, short of Duos and Lasetactives, because they are more costly.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #77 on: April 22, 2014, 01:20:33 PM »
We live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #78 on: April 22, 2014, 01:38:12 PM »
We live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.

If the sale of a TG-16 system makes national news, I'll apologize :P

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #79 on: April 22, 2014, 03:23:14 PM »
We live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.

If the sale of a TG-16 system makes national news, I'll apologize :P

But it's a great point. This world has become so Collectible crazed it's almost disturbing. Like people with "RARE" games. The funny thing is that in most cases, the rare games are so terrible they will stay sealed because nobody in their right minds will ever want to play them. I am not saying that there aren't exceptions to the rule, but yeah. Rarer systems like the PC Engine, or more specifically, the Turbografx 16 I don't see going down in price any time soon. Might stabilize as I am sure the gaming bubble will pop one day, but I just don't see the prices dropping all that much from where they are artificially inflated to now.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2014, 10:42:39 AM »
To bring something I already mentioned in some other thread:

Videogame consoles (the less common ones) are now like vintage cars. Expensive, some models prone to damage like british sports cars, sought after and becoming more and more - to stress a sellers term - "rare".

Add a video channel on the web devoted to "forgotten" systems, a magazine report on here and there, 20+ years and there you go:

Prices are upping. And they will keep upping. EOL.

Thats the uncomfortable truth.

I admit I don´t like it - but I honestly don´t think it´s going to change the other way.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #81 on: May 26, 2014, 04:31:21 AM »
I am sure that quite a few people have seen toy hunter.... This is just another fact that even if the systems are getting older as are we, these prices will only rise over time. Look at some of the toys even before our time. Some of the older mego's and such command a absurd amount of money. Those toys were gaudy at best, but look at the value they hold. Video games you can at least go play and pass them down to your kids as retro gaming. A toy in a package is nothing more than a trophy to look at. Just like a mint in box unplayed game.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2014, 04:54:07 AM »
I am sure that quite a few people have seen toy hunter....
Never heard of it before, just watched an episode on youtube, was quite entertaining.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2014, 07:14:52 AM »
I am sure that quite a few people have seen toy hunter....
I don't miss an episode. As entertaining and educative as Pawn Stars, Storage Wars, etc.

At least with videogames (most of the time) you get to play them thanks to the magic of emulation.


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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #84 on: May 27, 2014, 03:55:23 PM »
Fun Stuff.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2014, 02:47:45 AM »
Pawn Stars

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2014, 05:53:07 AM »
I am just getting in to Turbo-grafx collecting and it is extremely hard with the crazy prices right now

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2014, 07:26:38 AM »
We live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.

You might be right to some degree, but what about the grandparents who have no idea what the internet is. I have all too often heard the stories of someone throwing out a small gold mine in toys, games, etc just because they are under informed or the kids who do look to turn a buck with them are not around at the time of the trashing :-(

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2014, 07:50:18 AM »
We live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.

You might be right to some degree, but what about the grandparents who have no idea what the internet is. I have all too often heard the stories of someone throwing out a small gold mine in toys, games, etc just because they are under informed or the kids who do look to turn a buck with them are not around at the time of the trashing :-(

My parents didn't do that with games cause I played them, but they did however get rid of some of my "original" star wars figures at a garage sale in the late 80's.  Some were out of the box so really not worth a ton even today, but they did get rid of a boxed (vinyl version) Jawa.  I believe they gave all of them to some dude for $20.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2014, 01:02:34 PM »

***this is a repost from a conversation I had with DarkKobold on a different thread, and I stand by my thoughts/analysis of the whole game collecting boom***


From, jordan_hillman:

"Investments/business models based purely on speculation always have their bubbles burst. Game collecting is what comic book collecting was in the 90s, and that bubble burst bad! Once everyone "cashes" in on their "investments" the market will fall hard and fast, and the people who actually give a shit about owning games for the sole purpose of enjoying them will benefit."


From, DarkKobold:

"The situation isn't really the same. My understanding is that during the comic bubble burst, the recently released "collector's edition" comics, variant covers, and the fake-limited release comics had massive losses in value. The things that were truly collector's items, such as the first appearances of Wolverine, Superman, Spider-man, Hulk, and etc, were barely scratched by the bubble burst everyone loves to reflect on. Apparently, most "silver-age" comics were left untouched by this burst.

I think the equivalent would be thinks like "Xenoblade Chronicles" and the glut of recent collectors editions of games. Games from the 8bit through 32bit era won't be affected by the crash, because they are actually difficult to find. While yes, some people are hoarding Magical Chases and other rarities, it isn't going to prevent the price from continuing to go crazy.

As much as everyone wants people to stop treating video games like an investment, it just won't happen. Once real money gets involved, so do all the shitty parts of humanity that comes with it. This includes investments, market manipulation, fake games, eBay scams, and the like.

As ultimately depressing my post sounds, there is a silver lining. An everdrive costs around 100 bucks, and lets you play all these insanely expensive games for a one time purchase. If it really is about playing the game, and not the joy of ownership of the original hucard, than that should be sufficient."


From, jordan_hillman:

"It's definitely not a 1:1 comparison (the comic crash and the current video game collecting boom) but there are still a lot of valid comparisons. For example, the current glut of collectors editions, special editions, games with low print runs with subsequent reprints (as you mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles) are certainly the equivalent of the 90s X-Forces, Spider-Mans, and X-Men number ones. However, other than the clear exceptions you mentioned before (Amazing Fantasy 15, Hulk 181, Action Comics 1, Detective Comics 27), the value of several books, first appearances, and story lines of key silver age characters were effected by the 90s comic crash as well (e.g. the Phoenix Saga, early Avengers issues--until the releases of the current movies--and first appearances of C-level heroes and villains who were re-introduced/remodeled in the 90s). The "rarity" and "importance" of those "key" issues (other than the clear exceptions of first appearances of Spider-Man and the like) mirrors the "rarity" and "importance" of "key" titles like MC, Legend of Hero Tonma, and the like.

And the only thing that kept the value of legitimate key silver age and golden age books high, even throughout the 90s burst, was the fact that these characters had firmly implanted themselves in the fabric of pop-culture and generations of people's childhoods. Current niche system and game collecting (e.g. the Turbografx, Sega Saturn, Jaguar, etc.) do not have the benefit of having a wide sense of value and importance among the general populous; basically turbo collecting, and its value herein, is only valuable and relevant to that small niche of collectors who find it valuable and relevant. So when a small niche is buying and promptly reselling games for a profit (even if that profit is slim), and when subsequent buyers are quickly buying them up before the "value" goes up anymore, it's an unsustainable business model that will collapse on itself eventually. And the "ultra rares" like MC and Legend of Hero Tonma, although they will certainly retain a decent value, are not going to have the benefit of a general population of people understanding the importance and rarity of these titles.

Don't get me wrong; video game collecting isn't going anywhere, and speculative collecting of any good or service certainly isn't going anywhere. However, there isn't a single market, commodity, good, or service that can maintain a continuous upward trajectory driven almost entirely on speculation."
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