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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #315 on: April 21, 2017, 06:32:12 AM »
Why the hostility? Did I miss something? Did jonebone do anything other than have a contrary opinion?

He flips product on ebay for prices that many here don't agree with

Sounds like a keen businessman. That said, I will likely not be buying from him.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #316 on: April 21, 2017, 06:51:06 AM »
The vast majority of threads/videos/etc are full of people talking about how "painful" purchases are or will be, how they can't afford something coming up, but hope to find a way to pay, etc.

Plus, how many people are regularly paying top market for lots of goods every month, without making $100 - 200k?

I know that the majority is now flippers whose liquid collections are also their business. But outside of that, you have to be out of touch with the reality of how the average North American lives to think that most of it is bought with disposable income.


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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #317 on: April 21, 2017, 07:10:19 AM »

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #318 on: April 21, 2017, 09:00:30 AM »



This is in reference to the 2600 cart...Chuck the Chasewagon? Whatever it was called....it was a rare 2500 cart?

Or am it totally off?
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #319 on: April 21, 2017, 10:21:41 AM »
This is in reference to the 2600 cart...Chuck the Chasewagon? Whatever it was called....it was a rare 2500 cart?

Or am it totally off?

Nah i'm just dinking around. Everyones talking about economics/precedented market trends, and i'm just sitting over here on photoshop haha

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #320 on: April 21, 2017, 10:51:08 AM »
I've stated this before but, well, here goes...Part of the fun of this hobby is researching a single game or two, buying it, savoring it, and putting it away until the urge strikes to enjoy it again. Many of those who buy collections in a few transactions or less get much less out of the experience in comparison. These guys will burn out eventually and move on leaving a charred wasteland behind...but hey, at least they'll be gone so we can rebuild.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #321 on: April 21, 2017, 01:43:09 PM »
I buy and sell a lot, and have done so for about 8+ years now.  From $10-$15 carts to $1000+ sealed across many platforms.  And believe me, when you talk about people buying things on credit, you are talking about a very miniscule amount of collectors.  I get more people saying "Hey can I pay on payday" (maybe ~5-10% of people I've dealt with) than people just financing it on credit.  So all of those assumptions regarding the crash are flat out wrong.

What you do get are life priorities that take place over collecting.  You get married, want to fund a honeymoon.  You have kids, need to convert game room to nursery.  You buy a house / sports car and need  a down payment etc.

Or, as we age, your kid goes to college and you see a $20K+ a year bill coming your way.  Or you have to pay for funerals of loved ones.  Etc.  But those are longer term impacts that shouldn't even be addressed now.

Since the overwhelming majority of this stuff is NOT bought on credit, you won't see an tremendous collapse of people selling stuff for pennies on the dollar.  Besides, not sure if you noticed, but if you list a bunch of like items at 0.99 auctions (which firesellers would have to do), they tend to do well and come damn near (or beat) BIN prices anyway.

I do think prices will taper off at some point as our generation ages and collecting shifts behind other life priorities, but expecting a full on collapse is wishful thinking.

Are you administrating their PayPal accounts? How the hell do you know if they using credit? This is a serious question because you refer to it as a certainty and I don't see any way you would know at all. Do you have a storefront? You're making some pretty positive claims here.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #322 on: April 21, 2017, 02:30:13 PM »
I buy and sell a lot, and have done so for about 8+ years now.  From $10-$15 carts to $1000+ sealed across many platforms.  And believe me, when you talk about people buying things on credit, you are talking about a very miniscule amount of collectors.  I get more people saying "Hey can I pay on payday" (maybe ~5-10% of people I've dealt with) than people just financing it on credit.  So all of those assumptions regarding the crash are flat out wrong.

What you do get are life priorities that take place over collecting.  You get married, want to fund a honeymoon.  You have kids, need to convert game room to nursery.  You buy a house / sports car and need  a down payment etc.

Or, as we age, your kid goes to college and you see a $20K+ a year bill coming your way.  Or you have to pay for funerals of loved ones.  Etc.  But those are longer term impacts that shouldn't even be addressed now.

Since the overwhelming majority of this stuff is NOT bought on credit, you won't see an tremendous collapse of people selling stuff for pennies on the dollar.  Besides, not sure if you noticed, but if you list a bunch of like items at 0.99 auctions (which firesellers would have to do), they tend to do well and come damn near (or beat) BIN prices anyway.

I do think prices will taper off at some point as our generation ages and collecting shifts behind other life priorities, but expecting a full on collapse is wishful thinking.


Are you administrating their PayPal accounts? How the hell do you know if they using credit? This is a serious question because you refer to it as a certainty and I don't see any way you would know at all. Do you have a storefront? You're making some pretty positive claims here.


In "collector" dominant circles like nintendoage, everyone bragging about being the biggest baller actually believes each other's ego-inflating/insecurity-masking stories. They're all rich and love to post the nerd gamer equivalent of pics of hundred dollar bills and gold jewellery and guns and stupid crap.

This is basically the mentality of omega level collectards:




They always have the same reaction when that stuff doesn't fly here: "you're all just jealous because you can't afford to hang with us true collectors!".


People like Goldenpp who post a short list of games they're looking for and then pay $3600 at once for a handful of them are not the vast majority of regular North Americans if it's not paid for by going into debt. He even admitted to not being familiar with Turbo games, yet buying ones he hasn't played based only on whims and videos.


I like how he spent $3,600 in one pop and still needs most of the rares.
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Goldenpp offered some insight into the mindset of those driving the market irrationally:

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When I first began, things were cheaper, sellers were looser and in general it was a lot easier to deal with, it only took about 5 years for me to begin regretting going for complete titles because of the way pricing was jacking up so much, but when you get that far into something, it becomes difficult for some of us to back away and call it quits, even if it takes out a lot more money than expected. However, the urge for me to complete my various system collections comes from the desire to get it over with in the event the cost continue to rise, I do not want even more games to reach a prohibitive point that I can no longer ever afford to purchase them (as many have)


It's true I spend a lot of time collecting which is a lot less time I can use for the playing aspect, but if I spend too much time playing and not buying, suddenly that game I thought was 30 bucks is now 100 bucks, and that creates a lot of issues for me as i'm not a rich guy, this stuff takes a long time for me to save money for.



That is a vicious cycle that you cannot keep up with.
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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #323 on: April 22, 2017, 02:08:09 AM »
Hmmmmm.... I suddenly get the urge to bathe with my cardboard TG-16 boxes now!

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #324 on: April 22, 2017, 03:03:47 AM »
I don't know anything about guns or body hair really but those aren't very impressive guitars. Not worth photographing yourself in your underwear for. I wonder if he wants to borrow my J-185 for a front shoot.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #325 on: April 22, 2017, 03:26:37 AM »
Never seen you post at AtariAge, not surprising you just lurk/leech the marketplace forum.

I have friends that keep an eye out for me :)  I do not browse AA and never will.  Browsing here is bad enough :)

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #326 on: April 26, 2017, 10:35:27 AM »
Friday at 3pm....    the bubble pops. Set your alarm clocks.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #327 on: April 28, 2017, 10:35:57 AM »
I'm not really into US Turbografx collecting but I have thought about the retro videogame market/crash in general. The thing is, people find it very easy to justify spending big money on expensive old games. They are not making anymore of them, I play it a lot so I will get my moneys worth, its still a same price as a new PS4 game, I play it and can sell it for the same price, its just an investment etc.

All things considered I find the japanese PC-engine Hucard games suprisingly reasonable priced for most part, especially if you compare them to complete games of the same vintage from SEGA and Nintendo. Especially shooters which tend to hold their value pretty well.

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #328 on: April 28, 2017, 12:39:46 PM »
In "collector" dominant circles like nintendoage, everyone bragging about being the biggest baller actually believes each other's ego-inflating/insecurity-masking stories. They're all rich and love to post the nerd gamer equivalent of pics of hundred dollar bills and gold jewellery and guns and stupid crap.

This is basically the mentality of omega level collectards:

They're socially validating each other <3 It's the people that do this the most who have the most phyc issues. Maybe mommy was too busy at her bookclub, daddy didn't come to those baseball games. There's something that makes these people CRY out for attention. Like I see people make "mail call posts" all the time. Showing off their little samson or something that they paid TOP DOLLA for. There's nothing special about this, they might as well post about how they're getting their roof redone or getting bodywork done on their BMW. It's just as "impressive".

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Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?
« Reply #329 on: April 28, 2017, 01:37:52 PM »
This is why I quit posting my purchases on FB. Trying to set a good example I guess. Though here is a different story since I know most of you peeps, many for almost a decade. I haven't posted in years though since my accident. Plus I'm lazy lol.
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