Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?

[Gentlegamer]

Also worth noting: there aren't any auctions for WCT in eBay's history which ended for more than $20. So Karl must be spelling the title wrong or talking out his ass (or gets his world perspective from spending all of his time only on here and Game Gavel).

Being a lying troll POS is his modus operandi.

worst moderator. one of reasons this forum is dead. The f*ck just harasses people. World Court has many listings ended at over 20 dollars. Go f*ck yourself!!!!

He's only the worst because he hasn't banned and doxxed you yet.

[StarDust4Ever]

i just don't see the prices going down, if some of the rumors about resellers destroying copies of games to raise prices and stuff turns out to be true, anyways.

Is there evidence for this? Most gaming examples I have heard of destroying merch was corporate directives, and a few examples in other hobbies. I can see tossing worthless crap like 90s baseball cards, but not valuable games.

[wiseau]

i just don't see the prices going down, if some of the rumors about resellers destroying copies of games to raise prices and stuff turns out to be true, anyways.

Is there evidence for this? Most gaming examples I have heard of destroying merch was corporate directives, and a few examples in other hobbies. I can see tossing worthless crap like 90s baseball cards, but not valuable games.

never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

[StarDust4Ever]

never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

[Necromancer]

He's only the worst because he hasn't banned and doxxed you yet.

I'd love to ban the jackhole; and if it's a troll alt for someone else's normal account, them too.  That's the type of shit we don't need, but there's no rules against being liars, trolls, or otherwise useless pieces of trash, so I'd end up with nullity and other DoxPhilers crying that I'm a nazi or some such nonsense.

[SignOfZeta]

I'm not ban happy at all and generally favor almost totally unregulated forums. However, I'd ban him. He contributes nothing to the forum and lies right to our faces...antagonistically, out of the blue. Nobody asked for his made up facts, he just shoves them at us. If he lies about eBay like this, how can he be trusted to buy and sell here? He's demonstrably full of shit.

If it were a genuine idiological conflict I would never suggest banning, this guy is just a useless collectarded liar.

[johnnykonami]

never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

Huh, as a avid GB collector, I hadn't heard of this.  Usually a game is cheap because it's undesirable, all the best/popular games are always sold for more. (nothing against rampart) I just wonder if you bought a bunch of cheapo games, even if you hung on to them for several years, would people be interested in buying them any more then than they were originally?  Is it simply that it's considered more collectable after this point?  Assuming you are talking about the original gray cart, I just checked it out on ebay and it's selling for $55 and of course, labeled as 'rare'.

[bob]

i dont think its an "alt" of a current member, and i doubt one of the 6 DoxPhilers.  they dont really have the animosity towards the forum that people assume.  with the way marx spews misguided venom towards this place and defends high prices, i would say its a previous banned member.  my money is on storino.  thats been my guess all along.

[TheClash603]

never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

Huh, as a avid GB collector, I hadn't heard of this.  Usually a game is cheap because it's undesirable, all the best/popular games are always sold for more. (nothing against rampart) I just wonder if you bought a bunch of cheapo games, even if you hung on to them for several years, would people be interested in buying them any more then than they were originally?  Is it simply that it's considered more collectable after this point?  Assuming you are talking about the original gray cart, I just checked it out on ebay and it's selling for $55 and of course, labeled as 'rare'.

It depends if the system the game is on is popular amongst set collectors or not.  If common shitty game X becomes the sole game keeping seveal hundred set collectors from their last piece, common shitty game X will become uncommon hidden gem expensive game X.

Due to the huge size of the Gameboy library, I imagine the act of creating game scarcity and price manipulation is low.  If you were to try the same type of thing with TG16 or Virtual Boy or a smaller sized set, I am sure one person could make a game's price move.  All you would need to do is pick a game with less than 10 listings at most times and constantly win each copy posted.

Mario / Duck Hunt doesn't seem like a good example where this would be possible.

P.S. - Don't do this.

[StarDust4Ever]

never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

Huh, as a avid GB collector, I hadn't heard of this.  Usually a game is cheap because it's undesirable, all the best/popular games are always sold for more. (nothing against rampart) I just wonder if you bought a bunch of cheapo games, even if you hung on to them for several years, would people be interested in buying them any more then than they were originally?  Is it simply that it's considered more collectable after this point?  Assuming you are talking about the original gray cart, I just checked it out on ebay and it's selling for $55 and of course, labeled as 'rare'.

It's $55 now? Wow. Pat explained it better than I could have.

This was a calculated experiment by a collector attempting to corner the market and drive up the price of a specific title, and it worked.

[Black Tiger]

never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

Huh, as a avid GB collector, I hadn't heard of this.  Usually a game is cheap because it's undesirable, all the best/popular games are always sold for more. (nothing against rampart) I just wonder if you bought a bunch of cheapo games, even if you hung on to them for several years, would people be interested in buying them any more then than they were originally?  Is it simply that it's considered more collectable after this point?  Assuming you are talking about the original gray cart, I just checked it out on ebay and it's selling for $55 and of course, labeled as 'rare'.

If you're talking about the original gray cart of Rampart, available BINs are much less than that and the only copies anyone has bothered to actually buy were a BIN for $15 and an auction which only received a single bid of $8.

[seieienbu]

I listened to that story about the black and white Gameboy version of Rampart.  Yes, the price seems to have gone down now, but it doesn't change the fact that one single seller was able to single handedly increase the price on the ebay market.  Ebay being ebay, prices don't exactly revert to the same rate that it was before this guy's experiment very quickly.  It seems like as soon as a price reaches a new ceiling, every seller assumes that new high price is the actual price point.  One idiot buys something at a high price and afterward nobody well sell for less.

Even as the ebay price falls, there are still long standing ramifications to this in other locations.  Recently I saw a copy in a retro game store with a price tag of $35.  That game at that price is absolutely ridiculous.  No, I don't think that it will Ever sell for that much but at the very least I feel this is strong (albeit nonscientific and a bit anecdotal) evidence that one profiteering jerk can create an artificial scarcity on his own to influence the market for monopolistic price fixing purposes which would never be legal on a large scale. 

[StarDust4Ever]

Even as the ebay price falls, there are still long standing ramifications to this in other locations.  Recently I saw a copy in a retro game store with a price tag of $35.  That game at that price is absolutely ridiculous.  No, I don't think that it will Ever sell for that much but at the very least I feel this is strong (albeit nonscientific and a bit anecdotal) evidence that one profiteering jerk can create an artificial scarcity on his own to influence the market for monopolistic price fixing purposes which would never be legal on a large scale.

How would that be illegal? Free market capitalism, bidges!

[Black Tiger]

There are laws against price fixing, monopolies and variations of market manipulation, but they are rarely enforced.

[SignOfZeta]

On a large scale, the manipulation of commodities, price fixing, etc can get you decades in prison. On the small scale there is no penalty. Morally there is no difference.