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cavein2000

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« on: May 03, 2006, 02:52:40 AM »
So I pretty much know very little about the Ys series, having never played a game in the series, but would like to pick up a copy of Ys 1 and 2 (US) for my PCEngine/Turbo CD and have been reading all about this game.  Questions...

Is this the recommended route; Ys 1 and 2 and proceed?

Is checking out the Ys complete for the PC recommended?  

Any other helpful info?
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2006, 03:00:29 AM »
Play Ys I and II first. Definitely.

Everyone here will say "play the Turbo Grafx version" but I will say otherwise.

Play Ys I-II COMPLETE (both available in English) if you want awesome gameplay and pure entertainment. If you want old style RPGs, play the PC-8801 or PC-9801 versions.

As for YsIII -- you can play the new Ys The Oath in Felghana instead. It is a remake of YsIII. Most people will say YsIII is crap, and while it isn't as good as the other Ys games, I definitely recommend the PS2 version.

Don't play Ys IV The Dawn of Ys if you want consistency in the Ys story. It has nothing to do with the Ys timeline. Play Ys IV Mask of the Sun for Super Famicom instead (has been fan translated but the ROM will not load on SNES copiers).

Ys V Lost Kefin, Kingdom of Sand is an excellent game. Only available on SFC. Not available in English.

If you're going to play YsVI The Ark of Napishtim I recommend the PS2 version. The PC version isn't as good as everyone will say it is. And the PSP version is utter crap. Beware of that one.

When you've played all these games (assuming you're after the entire Ys story) you can play The Dawn of Ys. It is an excellent game but the story bothers me greatly.

There are remakes of Ys IV Mask of the Sun and Ys V Lost Kefin, The Kingdom of Sand on PS2 but these games are the single most terrible games I have ever played in my life. Whatever you do, NEVER play these games.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2006, 04:08:28 AM »
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Play Ys I and II first. Definitely.

Everyone here will say "play the Turbo Grafx version" but I will say otherwise.

Play Ys I-II COMPLETE (both available in English) if you want awesome gameplay and pure entertainment. If you want old style RPGs, play the PC-8801 or PC-9801 versions.

There are remakes of Ys IV Mask of the Sun and Ys V Lost Kefin, The Kingdom of Sand on PS2 but these games are the single most terrible games I have ever played in my life. Whatever you do, NEVER play these games.


Cool.  To be honest, I'm not much of a PC gamer at all.  In fact, I only own and have played Warcraft III on my laptop.  I do have a decent graphics card and all but am not too much a fan of the keyboard.  Is there a PC engine/Turbo controller hook up you recommend or that even exists?  That would probably be the only way I could even deal with an RPG on the PC.  The Turbo version more appealed to me because of this.  However, the animations and graphics on the PC title seemed far superior and was true eye candy from what I had previewed.  

As for the remakes you mention of Ys IV and V, I will make it my business to keep 'em far out of sight.  Thanks for the heads up.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2006, 06:03:30 AM »
Why do you want a PCE controller for your computer? You think this is the best controller?

You can buy converters which will let you use PS2/GC/Xbox (among many others) controllers on your PC. You can even buy Xbox 360 controllers and hook them up to your PC directly. I've heard these controllers are really good.

I'm no PC gamer either, but if you want to truly enjoy Ys, you've got to play them on your PC since they are highly superior to their console counterparts.

On a PC you can play:

The ULTIMATE versions of Ys 1-3
Ys IV in English (through emulation)
The best version of YsVI (at least as good as the PS2 version)

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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2006, 06:44:45 AM »
i don't think that the PCE is the best controller at all.  I guess the PS2 would probably be my controller of choice.  Where should I pick up the converter?
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2006, 07:00:22 AM »
Oh yeah, and where can I pick up a Ys complete for the PC?  Is this a japanese game that I have to download a patch for as well?  Seldane, thanks so much for your help and advice so far!!
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2006, 07:53:39 AM »
I have a Joytech PS2 -> PC adapter which works great. Check out their site for retailers: Click!

The cheapest place to order Ys games and other Ys stuff is from Falcom themselves. Click here for all their Ys stuff! (Ys I-II COMPLETE together costs about $40.)

...And here's information on how to order from Falcom: Click!


When you've got YsI-II COMPLETE, you can download the English patches from NightWolve's site (he's also working on English patches for Ys The Oath in Felghana and Ys VI The Ark of Napishtim).

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 09:34:05 AM »
Thanks again, I sent an email to Falcom, but couldn't find the adapter you were talking about through joytech.  Maybe they don't stock it anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2006, 09:54:19 AM »
Sorry, I have to disagree with Seldane here on a lot of parts (a lot of other folks would too, so please listen to all of our opinions).

First off, I believe the TGCD version of Ys Book I & II is the best? Why? First off, it's a console port and from the sounds of it, you prefer playing on consoles anyway.

Secondly, it has the best soundtrack by far. The original versions and the Sega Master System versions might sound too primitive for some and the arrangements in the TGCD version are extremely well done and it often considered the best soundtrack of all time. The Saturn version in the Falcom Classic discs have some decent tunes, but not quite as exciting as the TGCD version. In my opinion, Ys Eternal sounded very weak. It wasn't bad by all means, but it just lacked so much flavor since they were trying to abandon the 80's touch.

Thirdly, the TGCD version offers two extra cinematic scenes: one for when you boot the game that tells the story of Ys (it's actually handy and is very cool to watch after beating the game) and one awesome kicked up cinema for when you first start the game (this cinema was especially well designed by the fact that you will appreciate it so much when you complete the game, and it's just awesome to watch!). Not only that, but the cinema when you first start a game offers a new song that kicks ass and is reused in the other Ys games. Also I didn't like the cinemas in Ys Eternal so much, so it's nice to have the sprite and tile based cinemas in the TGCD and earlier versions.

Fourthly, the gameplay is a lot smoother in the TGCD version compared to the older versions. The older versions might play too slowly for some and the combat feels smoother in the TGCD version, as oppose to the Master System version. This is however where Ys Eternal shines with the combat system allowing you to go in 8 directions and run and makes the bump attack system more modern and smooth. For this reason alone and the nice 2d visuals, I would recommend it to newcomers, but I still insist the TGCD version being the best for all the other aspects.

Fifthly, the TGCD version is one of the few translated versions of the game and it was actually brought to America and to top it off, the translation was well done. Some Ys fans might complain because a lot of names were altered a bit from the original, but lets admit, that was for the better of the American ENGLISH speaking audience :D . What really makes the translation nice though is how well written it is with perfect English grammar use and stunning dialog.

Sixthly (yes we are at six already ;) ), the TGCD version, from what I know, is the only version of Ys I & Ys II to have voice acting, and it's in English! You might be thinking that the voice acting is going to suck since it is dubbed in English, however that is far from the case for the TGCD version of Ys Book I & II. The TGCD version offers outstanding voice acting for the most part. There are a few voice actors who I thought could definitely use room for improvement, but then there are voice actors, specifically the three main villians (and this adds so much more depth to them), is incredible; I've never heard better voice acting for villians in my life. I can't recommend it enough and if you're like me, you'll actually remember the speeches word by word!

And lastly, the TGCD version is a bit of a novelty to have. It was the very first RPG to come out on CD format and it was an amazing game to show off CD hardware at the time. It's also a must have game for your Turbo collection and is one of the titles that really shines on the Turbo. Also it's one of the few Ys games to come to America!

I hope this helps :) .
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2006, 10:56:57 AM »
Nice... as far as collecting goes, I would much rather have the Turbo CD with Ys 1 and 2.  But the PC graphics that I have seen, seem to blow everything else out of the water? no?  I do realize it is a remake and the turbo version is for the true gamer.  It seems like a toss up to me.  Too hard to call, maybe I'll wait for some more input.  But Keranu, you are right in that I am a console fan, not so much a PC gamer.  

Right now, I really only need assitance with Ys I-II, so I believe it is PC vs. Turbo CD.  Fight!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2006, 01:16:04 PM »
Play Turbo Ys Book I & II, then PCE Ys IV patched to english.

Then go ahead and play the Turbo Ys III gaiden after you've finished Legend Of Xanadu II PCE.

Ys IV fits the timeline perfectly, since its the finale of the PCE branch. The other stuff is just that. I don't care too much about mythology or story and play Ys for the gameplay and fun.

Saying you should skip Ys IV PCE is like saying you should skip the Monster World games because they're not true Wonderboy.

If you like PCE, Hudson and/or Falcom, stick to the PCE games and then try out the alternatives if you feel like it.

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2006, 04:19:56 PM »
The graphics are obviously better in the PC & PS2 versions of the 2 Eternal games.  The music, in both versions of the Eternal's, really don't compare, in any way, shape, or form, to Ryo Yonemitsu's arrangements for the Turbo versions.  Actually, all 4 of the Ys games for Turbo, have incredible soundtracks, & are worth the price of admission for the music alone!  

Just get the Turbo version for now, it will be more memorable.  Then, check out the PC versions, or the PS2 version(if you must) of the Eternals.  I HIGHLY recomend getting Oath in Felghana(the Ys 3 remake), it's gotta be my favorite Ys EVER.  I have a PS1 controller hooked up to my PC, it works just dandy for me.  I actually got my adapter off ebay, so you can check around there.

Oh, & the voice acting in the Turbo version, even by today's standards, is considered excellent.  And most of the voice actors are from Transformers & GI Joe(if that means anything to you, cuz it means alot to me :D ).  Not to mention strangely enough, Thomas Haden Church, from Wings.

Yeah, it'd be best to start with the Turbo version.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2006, 06:00:07 PM »
To re-affirm what has already been said: Get the TG-CD Ys I & II version and play it first. You can always check out the other versions of the games (including the PC remakes) at a later time -- but it would be a damn shame for your virgin experience with Ys to be with anything other than the TG-CD version.

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 07:52:48 PM »
People summed it up nicely here: play Ys Book I & II for TGCD first and then if you'd like, play the other versions afterwards. It doesn't matter on which one you'll like the most, it would be best to play the TGCD version first (unless maybe you knew Japanese, then maybe I'd say play the PC88 original first). The other awesome thing about the TGCD version is that it's similar to the original PC88 version in terms of style and stuff, so it's not much of a remake, but more of an update; a much nicer update at that :D .
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2006, 12:26:24 AM »
He he he, PCE fanboys.  :lol:

Why play the TG16 games and THEN the others? I mean ... WHY the TG16 versions? Is there a particular reason to this? Every North American Ys release has gotten severely butchered, but the TG16 versions take the lead here. Everything's wrong. :roll: That's why there's so much Ys misinformation outside of Japan.  :roll:

Having played every Ys game in existance I honestly think Ys I-III on TG16 are some of the worst Ys games of them all (Ys I on DOS being THE worst Ys game ever). Why? Mainly because of the gameplay... it is just so DULL. I also really dislike the music. That's right, I hate Ryo Yonemitsu!  :lol:

I seriously doubt Ys I-II will be more memorable than YsI-II COMPLETE these days. Sure, you guys played it ten years ago, but it is NOT the same thing for someone who has never played Ys before! Most people who start out with an old version these days won't find any interest in it whatsoever and then abandon Ys forever, never touching the newer games. Believe me, I've seen it happen many times.

I'm saying skip Ys IV because it has nothing to do with the Ys series. It wasn't written by Falcom and Hudson obviously didn't have a clue about what was going on in the Ys universe because they got it all wrong. One incredible thing about the Ys series is that everything fits together. There's not a single detail that gets unexplained if you do your research. Ys IV PCE ruins all of this. It messes up everything. It is like including Thumb Wars in the official Star Wars saga.  :roll:

Also, let me explain why YsI-II COMPLETE sounds "weak" -- those games are designed for hardcore Ys fans. All the music from that game has been taken DIRECTLY from the PC-8801 original and has been polished to sound a little better. To the original fans who loved the old chip music in YsI-II (myself included) loves this music!

Have you ever played YsI-II COMPLETE, Keranu? The "cinemas" in these games are incredible. Especially when playing the translated versions (Deuce's Japanese to English translation skills are highly superior to any Japanese amateurs at Hudson).


My point is this: avoid the old versions until you've played the latest ones,  they ARE much better than the TG16/PCE versions whatever anyone here says. If you ask the same question on another board (if you can find a board with Ys fans, that is) nobody will ever mention the PCE versions -- they'll all scream YS COMPLETE and Ys THE OATH IN FELGHANA!