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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2014, 02:22:45 AM »
Link seems dead to me.

I downloaded it myself the day before yesterday. I'll try uploading it under a different file name.
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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2014, 03:32:06 PM »
If I remember right, for Vasteel 2 it adds ADPCM sound fx...I wonder how that worked, maybe the 64k ADPCM memory was used for code/graphics, so when the ACD was used the 64k was freed up to add cool ADPCM sndfx,

When ever talk of bi compatable games come up, im always made sad that the fact Macross 2036 is only a 64k regular cd game, even with a puny 64k memory, its able to put out levels with 3 or 4 distinct BGs, 4 huge beautifully animated bosses, player ship with 2 distinctive sprites each one very well animated, a large number of distinct and impressive ADPCM sndfx, and ingame cutscenes, where the cartoon is pasted on top of the action.....that's only one meg of memory, think if you had 5 megs of fu##ing memory, kinda gets me thinking, I cant think of a single optimized cdrom side scrolling action game, like rondo of blood,(2 load times per level) so I wonder what a optimized cdrom rondo of blood would be like.
Yeah, it does seem like developers rarely manged to max out the system... particularly for platformers.  Most don't even bother with trying to pull off parallax, for instance, and the ones that do only seem to do it sometimes.  Of course, there just aren't anywhere near as many platformers on the system as there are on the SNES or Genesis, so there's a relatively small sample size...

I seem to recall reading something a long while ago about Princess Maker 2 actually being slower loading with Arcade Card than with a Super System Card.

Is this for cinematics or regular gameplay? If it's for cinematics, it's most likely to add CD quality music along with voices. Usually, a PC Engine game is unable to have both CD voices and music at the same time unless you merge them together(which means you wouldn't be able to use that music track for other situations) but the Arcade Card's huge amount of RAM allows a bi-compatible game to store the voices on there and stream the music. This does add longer loading times though.

When ever talk of bi compatable games come up, im always made sad that the fact Macross 2036 is only a 64k regular cd game, even with a puny 64k memory, its able to put out levels with 3 or 4 distinct BGs, 4 huge beautifully animated bosses, player ship with 2 distinctive sprites each one very well animated, a large number of distinct and impressive ADPCM sndfx, and ingame cutscenes, where the cartoon is pasted on top of the action.....that's only one meg of memory, think if you had 5 megs of fu##ing memory, kinda gets me thinking, I cant think of a single optimized cdrom side scrolling action game, like rondo of blood,(2 load times per level) so I wonder what a optimized cdrom rondo of blood would be like.

Macross 2036 is kind of a strange case. It was technically a 64k CD game, but why slap the Super CD logo on there? Is it a CD/SCD bi-compatible game? If it isn't, it's up there along with Spriggan as the most impressive 64k CD games.
It's a bi-compatible game, much like the third Ranma game.  I'm not sure what they improve; probably load times.  I think they're longer without the Super CD card.

Yeah, mostly it loads a bigger bunch of graphic data into the AC to obtain longer, uninterrupted and smoothened cut scenes.

Ah, I was hoping it added more frames of animation to in-game playing or something. But it does sound like cut scenes are the easiest to improve.
Some games have improved cutscene animation with the Arcade Card... haven't heard of any that improve ingame animation with it, though.

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 01:22:23 AM »
Alright, this definitely works on every device/browser I've tried:

http://www.superpcenginegrafx.net/3x3_eyes_acd_vs_scd.avi
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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 10:11:57 AM »
I want to say that I've seen that on the youtube before?

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2014, 09:11:45 PM »
Does the game only have added animation in the intro, or is there some in the game too?

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2014, 11:17:06 PM »
I want to say that I've seen that on the youtube before?

I swear it used to be on there.  I went looking for it to post in this thread but couldn't find it.  Perhaps I didn't watch it on youtube or perhaps it was taken down from there.
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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2014, 01:23:36 AM »
I want to say that I've seen that on the youtube before?

I swear it used to be on there.  I went looking for it to post in this thread but couldn't find it.  Perhaps I didn't watch it on youtube or perhaps it was taken down from there.


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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2014, 12:46:20 AM »

Alright, this definitely works on every device/browser I've tried:

http://www.superpcenginegrafx.net/3x3_eyes_acd_vs_scd.avi


I just watched this again (it's been years since I watched some of your videos!) and this is, quite simply, THE BEST way to illustrate the differences between SCD and ACD during the cinemas.

Do you have links to similar SCDvsACD videos?

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2014, 11:13:29 AM »
I never knew that the arcade card enhanced anything!  All this time I just thought it was a way to either play inferior SNK fighting game ports and Sapphire, so I never paid any attention to it.  This is cool though, Vasteel 2 and Popful Mail are on my bucket list, so maybe now I'll keep an eye out.

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2014, 11:45:45 AM »
I never knew that the arcade card enhanced anything!  All this time I just thought it was a way to either play inferior SNK fighting game ports and Sapphire, so I never paid any attention to it.  This is cool though, Vasteel 2 and Popful Mail are on my bucket list, so maybe now I'll keep an eye out.

Uh? I  thought the SNK ports were rather superior than other consoles. IMHO. Also, bare in mind this covers only select titles. Not saying all SNK ports were the best.

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2014, 12:44:17 PM »
I never knew that the arcade card enhanced anything!  All this time I just thought it was a way to either play inferior SNK fighting game ports and Sapphire, so I never paid any attention to it.  This is cool though, Vasteel 2 and Popful Mail are on my bucket list, so maybe now I'll keep an eye out.

Uh? I  thought the SNK ports were rather superior than other consoles. IMHO. Also, bare in mind this covers only select titles. Not saying all SNK ports were the best.

I only meant the obvious, that they were inferior to the actual MVS/AES carts.  I don't think I would bother with any ports when you could spring for the originals or get a pretty good collection like the ones on PS2.

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2014, 01:18:11 PM »
I never knew that the arcade card enhanced anything!  All this time I just thought it was a way to either play inferior SNK fighting game ports and Sapphire, so I never paid any attention to it.  This is cool though, Vasteel 2 and Popful Mail are on my bucket list, so maybe now I'll keep an eye out.

Uh? I  thought the SNK ports were rather superior than other consoles. IMHO. Also, bare in mind this covers only select titles. Not saying all SNK ports were the best.

I only meant the obvious, that they were inferior to the actual MVS/AES carts.  I don't think I would bother with any ports when you could spring for the originals or get a pretty good collection like the ones on PS2.

The PC Engine versions have better music than any other version from what I've heard.
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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2014, 01:32:06 PM »
The PC Engine versions have better music than any other version from what I've heard.

Well, that could be true, but I'm not a huge fighting game fanatic either way so I probably wouldn't ever have my eye on the SNK ports for the Arcade card, personally.

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2014, 05:02:11 AM »
As an aside to this threads title, which games are incompatable with the arcade card ?
Stuck pop 'n magic (pce) in the duo-r but had to remove the arcade card to play the game,
kept getting the 'suprise' pic warning about the game not working on that system set-up.
...anyone else had problem games ?

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Re: Arcade Card - Game enhancement?
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2014, 05:54:14 AM »
As an aside to this threads title, which games are incompatable with the arcade card ?
Stuck pop 'n magic (pce) in the duo-r but had to remove the arcade card to play the game,
kept getting the 'suprise' pic warning about the game not working on that system set-up.
...anyone else had problem games ?

You can't beast morph in Altered Beast CD using the Arcade Card.
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