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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #270 on: July 08, 2015, 09:20:09 AM »
Chappie;  an anime inspired live action sci fi movie set in Johannesburg.  The movie has themes of robots being used for fighting crime, meets overly ambitious developers meets artificial intelligence, meets life after death.

It's interesting and it makes you think but I felt the storyline and it's themes needed to delve a bit more deeper to satisfy.

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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #271 on: July 08, 2015, 09:58:14 AM »
It Follows, best horror movie I've seen in years.  It goes out of its way to be of the late 70's, early 80's Genre and is quite ambiguous to what time period it is.  Old tv's and cars but they have Smart Devices.  The premise itself is psychological and never stops.

I loved it.


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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #272 on: July 08, 2015, 10:14:11 AM »
Yeah, I liked Chappie well enough, it's from the District 9 director. Never seen Hugh Jackman play a stereotypical bad guy before and I don't think it suited him well.

I guess I'll add a fuller list of recent movies:

*Termimator: Genisys

*Appleseed Alpha (anime) - While nothing revolutionary here, I like it. A "B" SciFi post-apocalyptic action flick.

*Ex Machina - Basic AI plot of creation turning on its creator. Worth watching!

*Chappie

*The Lazarus Effect - Olivia Wilde!!!!

*The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge Out of Water (Heh!)

*Skin Trade (Dolph Lundgren, Ron Perlman and Tony Jaa [of Ong-bak] together)

*Snowpiercer (Chris Evans, Ed Harris) - One heck of a weird movie I didn't think I should bother watching!

*Dracula Untold - Pleasantly surprised, was pretty good!

*Hot Tub Time Machine 2 - Just as much an amusing trainwreck as the first one.

*Maggie - Arnold Schwarzenegger versus zombies ? Yep! Didn't ever see that one coming! It's a low-budget "B" zombie flick. It deals with the moral question/dilemma of how a family would react trying/risking to get as much time as possible with loved ones before their zombie infection inevitably takes its toll and they transform (and are no more)... How long before pulling the trigger, risking your neighborhood, risking yourself, etc. ??



*St. Vincent - Bill Murray!! Yay! And he did alright in this! It's not a phoned-in-performance!

*Talladega Nights - The use of Pat Benatar's "We Belong" song in the final race made this trainwreck worth a watch. The cougar-in-the-car challenge made for good lulz as well. It's mostly a trashy movie, intentionally offensive/obnoxious at parts but you kinda knew what you were getting with the lower end quality of Will Ferrell movies.

* Get Hard - Another Will Ferrell crap movie good for some lulz now and then.

* Sex Tape - Surprised to find Jack Black in this movie. It's OK...

* Superfast - Dumb slapstick Fast'n'Furious spoof/parody. There were surprisingly lots of lulz in this. If you wanna kill time with a dopey comedy, it's worth a watch.

* Jupiter Ascending - I had high hopes for this as it marked the latest movie from the Wachowskis, creators of The Matrix trilogy... Sadly, they have long since lost their mojo... It's great on effects, but just doesn't pack the punch that something like the Matrix did...



* Interstellar - In summary, this is an excellent SciFi space drama at its core and well worth the price of admission. You usually can't go wrong with the Batman Begins/Batman: The Dark Knight writer/director Christopher Nolan and apparently his brother. However...

Interstellar Major Gripes/Annoyances:
1) In the very beginning of the movie, we are introduced to a future post-apocalyptic America where science text books have been "corrected" to state that we never landed on the moon, that is, the Apollo missions were faked, and it was all just brilliant anti-Soviet Communist propaganda to bankrupt them into a space race, etc. Moon Landing denial is now the state curriculum... In other words, the tin-foil hat conspiracy "truthers" *won* in this particular future... I was really irritated by the inclusion of this propaganda essentially getting mainstream coverage with the movie as its vehicle. It would've been the same as if 9/11 inside job "George W. Bush did it!!!" truther nutjobs got their propaganda in a big-budget Hollyweird blockbuster for dissemination...

2) Time travel, time travel paradoxes and warped notions of the theory of relativity also really annoyed me... Time travel/paradoxes occur in many movies, like the Terminator Movies, so I'm used to that and it's just a matter of suspension of disbelief to just enjoy the fantasy of the story being told... Is it however sometimes hard to do, and more so with this movie... Unfortunately, you DO get people REALLY believing that time travel is possible because of its frequent use in science *fiction* movies, but oh well...

3) Purty heavy plagiarism from Event Horizon!!! In one scene, the concept of a wormhole is discussed by one of the mission team members. This dialogue complete with using the piece of paper for visual demonstration is ALMOST verbatim from a great SciFi horror movie known as Event Horizon with Sam Neill, Lawrence Fishburne, directed by Paul W. S. Anderson (after he did the first Mortal Kombat movie incidentally).

OK, so, in one scene, Sam Neill's character explains his revolutionary new space engine. He asks other team members what is the shortest distance between 2 points ? The answer is obvious: a straight line. However, Neill responds with "Wrong! The shortest distance between 2 points is...ZERO!" The "right" answer is to fold space between point A and B so both points coexist in the same space time and for then the ship to emerge out to point B, etc. Neill's character gives this presentation with a piece of paper he drew on which he then folds, lines up point A over point B, then thrusts his pen through both, and skewering a pin-up girl for a little sexual comedy, etc. Same thing just about is done in Interstellar, minus the pin-up and much shorter!! I wonder how many also caught this! Could be considered a respectful homage to Event Horizon of course, but yeah, it's way too similar to not be a direct form of borrowing...

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So ignoring some of the nonsense involved with this movie, you have what is an epic space drama as I said and I recommend it! I had to watch it twice and I think many will also need to in order to understand the plot better. I think you should enable subtitles while watching because many lines aren't clear and you'll miss out. Personally, I always turn them on because I hate to rewind when I miss something and some times you see text you never would've ever been able to make out no matter what because it just wasn't considered important enough.
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #273 on: July 08, 2015, 03:29:52 PM »
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2) Time travel, time travel paradoxes and warped notions of the theory of relativity also really annoyed me... Time travel/paradoxes occur in many movies, like the Terminator Movies, so I'm used to that and it's just a matter of suspension of disbelief to just enjoy the fantasy of the story being told... Is it however sometimes hard to do, and more so with this movie... Unfortunately, you DO get people REALLY believing that time travel is possible because of its frequent use in science *fiction* movies, but oh well...


relativistic time travel does indeed exist and even has been experienced by Astronauts albeit on a extremely miniscule scale.

Good read here.


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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #274 on: July 08, 2015, 03:53:17 PM »
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2) Time travel, time travel paradoxes and warped notions of the theory of relativity also really annoyed me... Time travel/paradoxes occur in many movies, like the Terminator Movies, so I'm used to that and it's just a matter of suspension of disbelief to just enjoy the fantasy of the story being told... Is it however sometimes hard to do, and more so with this movie... Unfortunately, you DO get people REALLY believing that time travel is possible because of its frequent use in science *fiction* movies, but oh well...
relativistic time travel does indeed exist and even has been experienced by Astronauts albeit on a extremely miniscule scale.

Good read here.

I'm talking about the idea of genuine "traveling back in time," which requires recording/knowing the position of every atom of a place as it was in the past, and being able to recreate that, rearrange the atoms within a fixed area (like say a Star Trek holodeck) while keeping your atoms (the traveler) in place... I met a moron once (arrogant too, couldn't unconvince him with logic!) that believed the idea of traveling faster than the speed of light would result in you eventually traveling back in time (because that's been done in movies)... Traveling fast in any point in an infinite universe just takes you further away from the starting point... So yeah, science fiction movies create believers who can't separate fact from fiction.

Freezing a person's atoms for say 200 years, and then unfreezing him, assuming he can survive the process, can be considered "forward time travel" (though misleading and inappropriate really) and possibly feasible in the future if the subject can survive the freeze/unfreeze process. That's a feasible concept, your atoms frozen for a time, while the atoms of the earth continue their course... But rearranging the atoms of the earth as they were exactly back in 1900 or whatever time you wanted to travel to, is not a feasible concept, it's fantasy/fiction based on the age old question of what would you do if you could go back in time and change an event, do something different, or gain the opportunity to explore, etc.

Anyway, what you mention, that an astronaut's body might be slowed down a bit, slightly less heartbeats, slightly less breaths, slightly slowed chemical processes inside cells, etc. versus a human on this earth for the same amount of time, and that when he/she returns to earth they're slightly less aged is the same thing as the freezing concept. It's certainly not like a completely fictional concept of a magical recording machine that could control atoms in such a way to rearrange them backwards or forwards, etc. But yeah, using "time travel" for this really is inappropriate and misleading. The theory of relativity and the fictional time travel concept don't belong in the same sentence.
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #275 on: July 09, 2015, 12:40:47 AM »
Idk dude, if you were to have a powerful gravity drive that would transport you to areas in space faster than light you might arrive before you left.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/physicists-prove-time-travel-possible-by-sending-particles-light-into-past-1453839


I believe that when the universe was ummm "Created" every moment of time (time being a Dimensional) was also created.  Hawking discusses particles that go back in time as they rotate at superluminal speeds as well.  You look at time travel as rearranging atoms, I look at it as a actual movement in time. 

Time goes forwards, slows down, stops, and even goes backwards.


http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/11/time-actually-goes-backwards-scientists-reveal-5058265/

You simply need a gravity drive that can warp space so you get to another area FTL.  You'll arrive faster and before you think.  Then you run into M theory and Entanglement which is just maddening.


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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #276 on: July 09, 2015, 01:22:50 AM »
Idk dude, if you were to have a powerful gravity drive that would transport you to areas in space faster than light you might arrive before you left.

Oh dear, you're one of those that's bought into all this...

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Time goes forwards, slows down, stops, and even goes backwards.

You're thinking of a clock...

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Hawking discusses particles that go back in time

Correction: Hawking states backwards time travel is impossible. Period.

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You simply need a gravity drive that can warp space so you get to another area FTL.  You'll arrive faster and before you think.

There's nothing in the universe recording every moment of existence as far as we know...

THINK: If I wanted to go back to say the year 1900 on earth, what is the concept necessary to achieve that ?? I would've needed a powerful force that recorded the position of every particle/every atom of the earth in 1900, and for it to be able to rearrange all particles/atoms to exactly what they were in said year (1900), while leaving me, the traveler, in tact... You would preferably wanna make a copy of the earth, rather than rearrange the particles/atoms of the existing earth as that would destroy it (the present)...

Maybe God has the power to do this, MAYBE, but you could only ever be agnostic as to his full power and it gets us into the supernatural. As it stands for us humans, there's no science to indicate/hint that we have access to all of the universe's memories, events, AKA "a universe tape recorder" to keep track of everything and allow one to access it for such purposes...

Newsflash: The past has been forever lost... The living have memories of some of the past (the brain being a recorder of sorts), and while we preserve some of it, we could never recreate an exact day in the past exactly as it once was. Every moment of existence is just a change of position of particles/atoms... You cannot make all of the particles/atoms of the earth go back in exactly the same configuration to what they were a second ago, a week ago, a month ago, a year ago, etc... That's needing control of trillions and trillions and trillions of particles/atoms... However, your body (its particles/atoms) could possibly one day be frozen/unfrozen, THAT'S A FEASIBLE CONCEPT, and if you wanted to know what the world would be like say in 50 years and there was a facility to store you (think Demolition Man), that could be thought of as "sending you to the future..."

So, one is possibly doable (IF the freeze/unfreeze process can work some day), the other is ridiculous and NOT doable, it's science fiction/fantasy, not fact! There's nothing recording the past - it's not possible - for you to ever be able to access it... But yes, one day we *might* be able to Buck Rogers your ass into the future if the human body could survive a freeze/unfreeze process which is not possible right now...

Anyway, does that make sense to you now or not ? Freezing your body is exerting control over your particles/atoms, a VERY SMALL amount compared to the ridiculous concept of controlling and changing the particles/atoms of all or some of planet earth to what they were in some past day/time, assuming you could even possibly record such data and have the memory to store it... But yes, keep believing in "gravity drives" and "warping space..."
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That movie you just watched
« Reply #277 on: July 09, 2015, 02:07:55 AM »
SIMPLE: the only way for TRUE TIME TRAVEL (backwards) is if we are all all part of a Matrix/computer simulation...

...and, the very act of going back will alter history (on a micro-scale, at least, no matter how carefully you try not to disturb things)...

...and since we know humans are often SELFISH, IMPULSIVE and/or IMPERFECT bastards, it is safe to assume that folks will constantly be attempting to go back in time (for nefarious and altruistic reasons).

It's the last point that is most important: if time travel were possible, people would be constantly meddling and F*CKING SHIT UP which means that ALL OF THESE F'D UP ALTERNATE HISTORIES WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY GENERATING, AD FINITUM.   

Also, the idea that all history is generated at the moment of creation is so f*cking DETERMINISTIC that it completely removes free will. We are all predestined to follow a certain path...even our time-traveling would be accounted for, somehow, in this deterministic concept of history/future/present.  I say: bullshite.

That's pretty complicated with just one Earth and its history. But to think of all the celestial bodies, and all the possibilities...

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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #278 on: July 09, 2015, 02:23:27 AM »
I lost you at "Hawking is a hack", but to save TIME I view time as a dimension.  A strong enough gravity field does indeed slow down time to a crawl and this happens near a black hole.  Your view of time is that of it being nonexistent and only made up in our heads but it is indeed a diamension and I believe we can send particles back, maybe in a millennia or two people by warping space/time as well.  But no time travel is not rearranging every atom back to a previous state.

The fact that light is constant no matter the observers speed lets us know time itself is malleable and I am willing to bet time exists as a long string of events that can be traveled within.
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #279 on: July 09, 2015, 03:49:11 AM »

I lost you at "Hawking is a hack", but to save TIME I view time as a dimension.  A strong enough gravity field does indeed slow down time to a crawl and this happens near a black hole.  Your view of time is that of it being nonexistent and only made up in our heads but it is indeed a diamension and I believe we can send particles back, maybe in a millennia or two people by warping space/time as well.  But no time travel is not rearranging every atom back to a previous state.

The fact that light is constant no matter the observers speed lets us know time itself is malleable and I am willing to bet time exists as a long string of events that can be traveled within.

Sure, you can slow down, relative to other reference points, but time is always creeping forward, IMHO.

True time travel (going backwards) still does not seem feasible...

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« Reply #280 on: July 09, 2015, 03:57:57 AM »
Also, the idea that all history is generated at the moment of creation is so f*cking DETERMINISTIC that it completely removes free will. We are all predestined to follow a certain path...even our time-traveling would be accounted for, somehow, in this deterministic concept of history/future/present.  I say: bullshite.

And by far one of the dumbest things he has said here.

I lost you at "Hawking is a hack", but to save TIME I view time as a dimension.  A strong enough gravity field does indeed slow down time to a crawl and this happens near a black hole.  Your view of time is that of it being nonexistent and only made up in our heads but it is indeed a diamension and I believe we can send particles back, maybe in a millennia or two people by warping space/time as well.  But no time travel is not rearranging every atom back to a previous state.

The fact that light is constant no matter the observers speed lets us know time itself is malleable and I am willing to bet time exists as a long string of events that can be traveled within.

I can see that you are far beyond reasoning with, delusional, have been watching way too much SciFi movies and Star Trek as was the guy I was referring to originally that started this, so there ya go! ;)

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But no time travel is not rearranging every atom back to a previous state.

This in particular also again shows you are illogical, no other way to say it... You have zero proof that ANYTHING in the universe is recording every second (AKA "a universe tape recorder"), every moment of existence on earth, let alone waiting around to be discovered to allow one access to it to travel back to previous moments in time, etc. This started in the science fiction/fantasy department and at times with some abused concepts like relativity...

The universe, as we see it, is an infinite space with particles/atoms that build suns, planets, lifeforms, etc.  If I travel at the speed of light in any direction, I simply keep moving away from the starting point... THAT'S IT! I don't eventually find older or newer copies of the earth going back days, months, years... So no, there's no "sending particles back in time by firing them off in some direction..."

esteban's Matrix point is once again a feasible concept... A powerful computer running a VIRTUAL world for subjects that are connected to it! Something like that would need infinite memory, knowledge, and could record some of the past and even be able to reset events back to it as well, along with the subjects! 

I used the supernatural idea that MAYBE God could possibly be the universe's recorder, but that's a supernatural/religious view, as mortals we'd never know the true power of the first intelligent lifeform that the universe created, and the paradox of how something could've initiated the creation of the universe from nothing does not make sense, that is, how was the first atom built, did that come first, or an intelligent atom builder, etc. ? Technically, to me, nothing should exist cause how could the process of the first atom start to be built, then the second, etc. ?? Something had to build something else, there had to be a starting point, but how did that first something get built ? The age old philosophical question.

Back to reality though, I try to combat the time travel tin foil hat delusionists/propagandists which you are clearly one. Sorry, but black holes crush things according to known science... Slowing the movement of particles down, is just that, not time travel, and crushing them is not "time travel" either, it's oblivion... You really don't want to try to understand what's clearly being explained to you, and yeah, you just repeated various concepts you've thrown together and likely learned from Star Trek ("gravity field," "black hole," "space time warping", etc.) as far as I can see... Sad, but it was like I said originally, science fiction movies create believers in this who can't separate fact from fiction along with some "scientists" that have also fallen for it. The theory of relativity is getting abused here badly...
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #281 on: July 09, 2015, 11:46:15 AM »
Wow this thread took an interesting turn (seriously!). :D I'm not willing to discount anything as impossible and for better or worse I hail from a wildly optimistic Kurzweilian belief structure.

ON TOPIC: I caught up on some movies last weekend. I saw the original Hot Tub Time Machine which I thought was hilarious and also Jurassic World. Jurassic World I genuinely enjoyed! It wasn't as good as Park, but it was much better than the first two sequels.

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The "bad guy" in the movie was just stupid. I hate the generic unstable ex-military contractor a$$hole trope and I wish movies didn't stoop to this 3rd grade good vs evil, black and white bullshit. "Hey guys, I heard you invented a puppy petter! I WANT TO USE IT TO KILL TERRORISTS AND I'M WILLING TO KILL EVERYONE HERE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN!" Uggg.

The main kids were sorta irritating too, but that's probably just because I'm getting older. Too Cool For School and Boy Genius seemed super generic.

Still though, good movie!
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #282 on: July 09, 2015, 11:50:29 AM »
Time travel exists, but you can only go forward.

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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #283 on: July 09, 2015, 08:57:04 PM »
Time travel exists, but you can only go forward.



I hate agreeing with evo (even if only partially), but yeah.

travelling back in time is pure conjecture/theory at this point, whereas forward travel has been verified experimentally.

Wait, that's agreeing with me, the Demolition Man plot, or further back, the Buck Rogers plot: if your body could be frozen/unfrozen for the desired amount of time while existence runs its course, you're effectively traveling forward. Technically, it's more along the lines of "preserving you for a future time period," but the point is this is in the realm of possibilities if you solve the problem of surviving the freeze/unfreeze process which is fatal right now...

The idea of "traveling back in time" however is pure imagination, fiction, fantasy, Santa Claus level story telling, that's it... Great device for stories/movies, but yes, pure 100% fiction... There is no evidence of any powerful "universe recorder" of the past, much less a way to access it to change the world back to a previous time period, etc. It's kind of funny, you'd think if you explain clearly what the complexity involved with such a concept is that it would end debate, instead he responded with "But uh, black holes, uh gravity drives, uh uh warping the space time continuum, uh uh, etc."

Either you got a true believer lost in his imagination or he was trolling me and I took the bait, heh.
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #284 on: July 11, 2015, 10:51:55 PM »
Funeral Parade of Roses.   1969 japanese movie shot in B&W and directed by Toshio Matsumoto.

1960's Japan gay subculture, Oedipal complex, drag queen rivalry all shot in  tokyo suburbs.

Full movie found here.

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