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EvilEvoIX

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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #285 on: July 13, 2015, 03:09:53 PM »
Also, the idea that all history is generated at the moment of creation is so f*cking DETERMINISTIC that it completely removes free will. We are all predestined to follow a certain path...even our time-traveling would be accounted for, somehow, in this deterministic concept of history/future/present.  I say: bullshite.

And by far one of the dumbest things he has said here.

I lost you at "Hawking is a hack", but to save TIME I view time as a dimension.  A strong enough gravity field does indeed slow down time to a crawl and this happens near a black hole.  Your view of time is that of it being nonexistent and only made up in our heads but it is indeed a diamension and I believe we can send particles back, maybe in a millennia or two people by warping space/time as well.  But no time travel is not rearranging every atom back to a previous state.

The fact that light is constant no matter the observers speed lets us know time itself is malleable and I am willing to bet time exists as a long string of events that can be traveled within.

I can see that you are far beyond reasoning with, have been watching way too much SciFi movies and Star Trek as was the guy I was referring to originally, and are as much a hack as Hawking is, so there ya go! ;)

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But no time travel is not rearranging every atom back to a previous state.

This in particular also again shows you are illogical, no other way to say it... You have zero proof that ANYTHING in the universe is recording every second (AKA "a universe tape recorder"), every moment of existence on earth, let alone waiting around to be discovered to allow one access to it to travel back to previous moments in time, etc. This started in the science fiction/fantasy department and at times with some abused concepts like relativity...

The universe, as we see it, is an infinite space with particles/atoms that build suns, planets, lifeforms, etc.  If I travel at the speed of light in any direction, I simply keep moving away from the starting point... THAT'S IT! I don't eventually find older or newer copies of the earth going back days, months, years... So no, there's no "sending particles back in time by firing them off in some direction..."

esteban's Matrix point is once again a feasible concept... A powerful computer running a VIRTUAL world for subjects that are connected to it! Something like that would need infinite memory, knowledge, and could record some of the past and even be able to reset events back to it as well, along with the subjects! 

I used the supernatural idea that MAYBE God could possibly be the universe's recorder, but that's a supernatural/religious view, as mortals we'd never know the true power of the first intelligent lifeform that the universe created, and the paradox of how something could've initiated the creation of the universe from nothing does not make sense, that is, how was the first atom built, did that come first, or an intelligent atom builder, etc. ? Technically, to me, nothing should exist cause how could the process of the first atom start to be built, then the second, etc. ?? Something had to build something else, there had to be a starting point, but how did that first something get built ? The age old philosophical question.

Back to reality though, I try to combat the time travel tin foil hat delusionists/propagandists which you are clearly one. Sorry, but black holes crush things according to known science... Slowing the movement of particles down, is just that, not time travel, and crushing them is not "time travel" either, it's oblivion... You really don't want to try to understand what's clearly being explained to you, and yeah, you just repeated various concepts you've thrown together and likely learned from Star Trek ("gravity field," "black hole," "space time warping", etc.) as far as I can see... Sad, but it was like I said originally, science fiction movies create believers in this who can't separate fact from fiction along with some "scientists" that have also fallen for it. The theory of relativity is getting abused here badly...

Wow, you are taking this argument up like a political stance or what your favorite sports team is.  Lots of stinging barbs and angst but no real substance.  So passionate as to desperately try and disarm any of my posts as "Dumb" and whatever your idea is as the one and only thought on that matters.  Trouble is you dismissed WAY too many intelligent writings and even fail to understand time being relatively malleable.  You fail to understand Gravity's effect on time and the fact that time is simply another dimension in our universe and can be moved within albeit with far more energy than the first 3 dimensions I am sure you are familiar with.   

I believe that your biggest mistake was calling Professor Stephen Hawking a "hack" which really shows you hate the idea of time travel more than simply listening to someone infinitely smarter than you (and me) explaining in detail it's inner workings.  You really need to understand that time is wrapped up in our universe as much as if not more than matter itself.

Read  ”A Brief History of Time”, some great stuff there.  Traveling near the speed of light is possible and slows time down to almost nothing allowing you to travel to the future.  Traveling FTL is impossible for any objects that have mass but not so for mass-less objects or objects that are already traveling faster than light.  However a gravity drive powerful enough to move the Dark matter around it (a controlled singularity if you will) to literally manipulate space time.  Trouble is you can only go back in time to when the machine was created, but that still allows you to go back in time.  Time is essentially stopped within a singularity and even forces light into one direction no matter which way it is turned as all directions point into that singularity.

Your biggest hang up is that you feel time travel is rearranging atoms to what they were before. That is not time travel in the least as it does nothing to the 4th dimension.  You are literally moving along the 4th dimension in time travel.  You have to understand that when space was created, so was time, probably why it's called Space-Time, this is nothing new or radical.  Some theories dictate that ALL time was created in that moment as well.  Delve even deeper and you reach into M theory and infinite possibilities and why our universe is expanding faster than light, maybe being manipulated by other universes gravity.  Other notions like that there is nothing constant in this universe, except for light itself.  You don't you find it strange that the universe has to keep that constant over TIME?  If time was constant you might have an argument.  From lights point of view there is no time, space, no mass, and everything is instant.  Space and time are not fixed, but varied by the observer.  Time can be bent.  You simply ignored that Einstein’s equations allow for you to travel and arrive before you left, you know, time travel.  It involves a TON of energy, far beyond what we can harness at the moment, but one day, when we can warp Space time, you have in effect created a FTL travel method and time travel itself. 

Your Demolition Man “Theory” is not a theory as much as, well, a frozen TV dinner found 100 years after being frozen and is embarrassing that you keep mentioning this as time travel.  You might as well call rocks time travelers.  Being still for a long time while cold is not time travel.  You are simply freezing a body and then bringing it back to life later in time, moving forward second by second in real time observed by us on earth.  You really need to understand the 4th dimension more before you comment on time travel siting Stallone movies as evidence.

Another glaring omission on your part is whether the Universe is infinite or not?  If it is, there is (sadly) a 100% chance that there is another version of you on an identical planet like ours arguing with a guy just like me over the same details, but you have on a slightly different shirt and gravity is 10% weaker.  The universe has every single possible history, each with its own probability of happening. 

Last but not least I’ll take Einstein’s equations and Hawking’s interpretations of them over your musings any day.  IDK how you could even argue that but you think a freezer is a time machine so maybe it is you who is trolling me.  And if so, great job.  Nothing is impossible.


Time travel exists, but you can only go forward.



I hate agreeing with evo (even if only partially), but yeah.

travelling back in time is pure conjecture/theory at this point, whereas forward travel has been verified experimentally.


You don't have to hate it.  Right is right regardless of the source or ones feelings.  As stated before, Einsteins equations allow for traveling back in time with a LOT of energy (enough to Warp Space & Time) but that is the energy of a star; not insurmountable.  That sounds like a ton but fast forward 1000 years and they level of energy production may be ordinary especially with Quantum Mechanics and the ability to "Borrow" energy and then give it back.


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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #286 on: July 13, 2015, 05:11:29 PM »
Holy shit, this guy really is tin-foil hat level crazy and far more than I thought!

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Your Demolition Man “Theory” is not a theory as much as, well, a frozen TV dinner found 100 years after being frozen and is embarrassing that you keep mentioning this as time travel.

Your whole raving gobbledygook lunatic of a post is what's embarrassing! Seriously! The freeze/unfreeze concept is something that is actually science, is something that one day might be possible, because the power to wield control over the atoms of a human body (and NOT the whole earth!) is FEASIBLE and reflects SOUND SCIENCE, not delusion, imagination, fantasy, etc., that is, watching too much Star Trek! If you could safely be frozen and unfrozen for whatever time you wanted, that in effect achieves forward time travel. Your atoms stay the same, while the atoms of the world continue to change! Read what is actually being said to you, moron!

The WHOLE point of that concept is to explain what is actually possible and what IS NOT possible! To separate fact from fiction, science from delusion, possible from the IMPOSSIBLE! You have ZERO evidence that some powerful force records every moment that occurs on this earth! No, you will never be able to "go back in time" to say kill Hitler, save the Jews and prevent WWII. Anybody who seriously believes that might one day be possible is a complete f--king moron and I have no trouble telling them that in the slightest bit! Delusions like yours must not be entertained even for one f--king second!

Anyway, good luck trying to sell your bullshit with somebody else, ya crazy spaceman!!
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #287 on: July 13, 2015, 05:17:03 PM »
I watched the 1960's Doctor Who movies, does that mean I'm crazy? lol

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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #288 on: July 13, 2015, 05:34:27 PM »
I love Science Fiction movies (Terminator) and shows (Dr. Who) based on time travel, enjoying them doesn't make you crazy anymore than telling Santa Claus stories to kids and letting them enjoy that for a time does, but believing that time travel could one day be possible, throwing gobbledygook together to act like you know what the f--k you're even talking about ("But, but, you forgot the 4th dimension!!!! I win!!!"), yes, that makes you crazy, and we're talking bat-shit level crazy with this guy!

Look at the effort he went to throw together work from Einstien and this Hawking to try to make a convincing case! And then look at how he dismisses the only possible thing we could ever accomplish, the freeze/unfreeze concept, etc. I even said that's not technically the concept of time travel as far as a time machine that could move you forwards, backwards, etc. but that is a f--king fictional fantasy concept, the nutter actually has found a way to convince himself and really believe it all and that's pretty scary if you ask me!!!

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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #289 on: July 14, 2015, 01:16:15 AM »
Freezing isn't a concept, meaning an abstract idea.  You can indeed freeze s person and let them sit for centuries.  We still need the technology to reanimate a frozen body.  None of this has ANYTHING to do with time travel.  No idea why you brought it up again.

Your issue is that you are incapable of thinking 4th diamensionally.  That's OK a lot of mouth breathers aren't.  You keep thinking time travel happens within the first three diamensions (there are a lot more than 3 BTW) and you need to rearrange atoms to a pervious state.  That is not the case.  You simply need to understand time as a diamension and it is extremely elastic.


Again, unarguable, Einstein's equations show that time travel, TO THE PAST, is possible.  You keep glossing over the fact that the greatest genius of anytime already did the leg work on this one.  You've already conceded that time slows down and even stops.  How do you keep ignoring these geniuses equations.  Just because you do not understand something doesn't make it false.  You are desperate and panicing sir.  Calm down.

When the universe was "created"  so was all time.  Time is woven into space, it's already been proven with time dilation experiments and has to be taken into account for gps Satellites as time for the satellites is different than here on earth.


But yeah Einstein is wrong, you are correct.  I've already begun working on my freezer as a time machine.


   
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« Reply #290 on: July 14, 2015, 01:26:41 AM »
I have a dozen JO Crystals and they are fully charged at all times. Still, I am lacking something.

If only I could travel back in time and have a young Einstein join me for a recharging session.

MAYBE I WILL.

I have seen photos of Einstein where the unmistakable outline of a JO Crystal can be  seen—as if it were on a necklace underneath his clothes.
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #291 on: July 14, 2015, 01:59:52 AM »
I have a dozen JO Crystals and they are fully charged at all times. Still, I am lacking something.

If only I could travel back in time and have a young Einstein join me for a recharging session.

MAYBE I WILL.

I have seen photos of Einstein where the unmistakable outline of a JO Crystal can be  seen—as if it were on a necklace underneath his clothes.

You could oy go back to when the machine was invented.  So sadly this won't be possible, at least not yet.


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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #292 on: July 14, 2015, 05:04:08 AM »
I watched the 1960's Doctor Who movies, does that mean I'm crazy? lol

Yes.  It was a TV show, you wacko.
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Re: That movie you just watched
« Reply #293 on: July 14, 2015, 05:12:00 AM »
I watched the 1960's Doctor Who movies, does that mean I'm crazy? lol

Yes.  It was a TV show, you wacko.
Still is. :) Those movies, lets say are very unique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Who_%28Dalek_films%29
It's a shame we didn't see more of Peter Cushing as the Doctor.

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« Reply #294 on: July 14, 2015, 05:35:36 AM »
I just Jurassic World this weekend, it was pretty awesome.
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« Reply #295 on: July 14, 2015, 05:47:35 AM »
Still is. :) Those movies, lets say are very unique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Who_%28Dalek_films%29
It's a shame we didn't see more of Peter Cushing as the Doctor.

Well dip me in shit.  I've not heard of those before (or have forgotten about 'em in my old age senility), but I still say you're crazy.  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #296 on: July 14, 2015, 06:03:08 AM »
Still is. :) Those movies, lets say are very unique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Who_%28Dalek_films%29
It's a shame we didn't see more of Peter Cushing as the Doctor.

Well dip me in shit.  I've not heard of those before (or have forgotten about 'em in my old age senility), but I still say you're crazy.  :mrgreen:

In the 80's, my local video stores ONLY had those two Dalek films, never the TV show. Luckily, PBS played near every season...but you would have to wait a few years as it cycled through the doctors.

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« Reply #297 on: July 14, 2015, 06:38:56 AM »
Freezing isn't a concept, meaning an abstract idea.  You can indeed freeze s person and let them sit for centuries.  We still need the technology to reanimate a frozen body.  None of this has ANYTHING to do with time travel.

There's no such thing as "time travel" per se and yet you're desperately trying to prove exactly what it is or isn't. It's a fictional concept to begin with. You will never be able to "go back in time" and say kill Hitler, save the Jews and prevent WWII nor will you ever be able to "leap forward into the future" to see another copy of the world, yourself, and learn what would happen... You could only ever attempt to "preserve" yourself for the latter. That's it! In other words, no "time machine" as defined as a backward/forward traveling device can ever be built. Sorry to break the news to ya, but you're welcome to keep that imagination of yours still going!

It's funny how you pulled so many fictional concepts from TV shows and movies, but yet you tried to discredit cryonic/cryogenic suspension because, as you said, "it came from a Stallone movie." You have pulled things from Star Trek, Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, the "Another Earth" movie and a similar TV movie where a portal opens up between our duplicate earth, and our exact copies come to our earth, steal our place, throw us back to their earth because it sucked and was dying, etc. But yeah, cryonic/cryogenic suspension is the one thing that was so-so embarrassing in this pathetic exchange of yours and your desperate attempt to prove the impossible by slapping together gobbledygook!

One more thing to disprove your last point. You said, "None of this has ANYTHING to do with time travel." On the contrary, the idea of a human body on a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, "slowing down," as in, 20 less heart beats versus if it was on the earth, 20 less breaths, slower chemical cellular processes, etc. in other words, the idea that the human body would age less is just a form of "preserving" while cryonic/cryogenic suspension is 100% preservation in this situation! Being affected by speed-of-light travel where your body processes are slowing down and so you're aging slower is merely a small form of preservation... I'm not sure a fragile human body survives the process at that speed, but whatever, this cannot be tested at present... I'm not gonna lose sleep over the idea, you're welcome to however.

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Another glaring omission on your part is whether the Universe is infinite or not? If it is, there is (sadly) a 100% chance that there is another version of you on an identical planet like ours arguing with a guy just like me over the same details, but you have on a slightly different shirt and gravity is 10% weaker.

The universe only makes sense as an infinite space. But, the idea that you would claim a 100% statistical probability that there's another copy of the earth, and another copy of us, shows how you jump from sound science to delusional fantasies. BTW, your "multiverse" "theory" hails from a fine Jason Statham/Jet Li movie called "The One" where there are 125 multiverses and 125 copies of Jet Li. Check it out, it was made for someone like you! Anyway, setting up "boundaries" that supposedly would somehow separate an infinite space again shows your propensity for belief in imaginative concepts.

OK, back to reality. So an infinitely sized universe has possibilities based on what we know. It knows how to construct suns, orbiting planets around those suns and to seed intelligent life on an appropriately distanced planet to support it. If intelligent life could happen here on earth, it could have happened on another solar system. It's in the realm of the possible! You could ONLY ever be logically agnostic on this! You could never be a confident atheist and say no, I'm sure there's no intelligent life anywhere else in the universe, or a confident theist and say that yes, I'm sure there is intelligent life somewhere out there. We could keep traveling the universe and never find another planet with intelligent life, or we could find hundreds of them, you don't know... But to then go as far as claiming there's a 100% statistical probability of an exact copy of earth, and my exact DNA duplicate twin is purely absurd and again shows you veering off into unprovable fantasy land.

Until you get on your magical time-speed-of-light-traveling spaceship, you might want to stop using a percentage rate of 100% when speaking... Just FYI, spaceman! Err on the side of keeping it real!

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No idea why you brought it up again.

That's because you and your "time travel" coreligionists are fanatical, illogical and can't be reasoned with. One is scientifically possible, one is not, that's why.

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Your issue is that you are incapable of thinking 4th diamensionally.  That's OK a lot of mouth breathers aren't.

Your issue is that you're stubborn, delusional, etc. and that's OK, a lot of people are.

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Again, unarguable, Einstein's equations show that time travel, TO THE PAST, is possible.  You keep glossing over the fact that the greatest genius of anytime already did the leg work on this one.  You've already conceded that time slows down and even stops.

Yeah, they show that MATHEMATICALLY and that time counting would appear to run backwards. That's it. And breaking a clock, seeing it tick less, slow down, etc. because something else (speed, gravity, radiation, whatever) is having an effect on it is not "time travel," stopping or slowing "time" - our existence continues on just fine. Time is not a destination that can be "traveled" to, it's counting...

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Just because you do not understand something doesn't make it false.  You are desperate and panicing sir.  Calm down.

Panicked or desperate about what ?? No, I'm seriously laughing my ass off at the embarrassing joke that is you. Now I understand why Professor just put you on ignore, you're not worth it! Heh.

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When the universe was "created"  so was all time.  Time is woven into space, it's already been proven with time dilation experiments and has to be taken into account for gps Satellites as time for the satellites is different than here on earth.

Time is a counting concept, a man-made convention. That's it. And moving clocks slowing down due to high speeds are just that, clocks that can't keep an accurate count matching that of a clock on earth because motion, gravity, whatever affects its abilities. Why do nutters take all of this and claim "time travel" could one day be possible because of it ?

What you're doing, as you've done plenty of times, is take a sound scientific principle, in this case time dilation, and use it to back up your other fantasies.

You could oy go back to when the machine was invented.  So sadly this won't be possible, at least not yet.

Ah yes, but ONE DAY, ONE DAY! Don't doubt it!

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« Reply #299 on: July 14, 2015, 07:28:12 AM »
Ah, Time Traveler's Wife, a pretty good movie! Saw that last year I think.