For those interested in the Shuttle:

[imparanoic]

A great console that was plagued with high defect rates in the earlier revisions? In that case yes.

Caps failing 20 years later is not a defect.

but surely with a bit more better quality control on decent caps, they will last a lot longer, note that the pc engine/core grafx don't have this issue, same applies to a sony home cinema amp which failed due to caps after 11 years of usage, a Philips lcd tv after 7 years of usage.

but my Marantz amp and cd player has been going strong since 1997

[Tatsujin]

A great console that was plagued with high defect rates in the earlier revisions? In that case yes.

Caps failing 20 years later is not a defect.

that shit worked way longer than initially expected/it was designed for.

and soon or later EVERY system that uses elcos will suffer from the same problem. in fact there are already known problems caused by dried out elcos for almost every system avilable:

http://console5.com/store/kits/game-console-cap-kits.html

[toktogul]

Speaking of the shuttle, i'm bidding on one right now. The seller is advertizing as junk since he doesnt have the power cable to test it. Any idea what are know problems with the shuttle, and if they can be fixed easily? Also, which power cable does it us? is it the same as the model 1 genesis?

It comes with the cool controller, so even if it doesnt work, not everything is lost

[Lost Monkey]

I think you mean the Jaguar is very Shuttle like in its design.

Absolutely...

[roflmao]

"there weren't very many controller variations"

Compared to what?  I can think of at least fifteen different first party controllers.

Never understood the need for the shuttle...it's ugly sexy,gimped and ugly sexy.

Fixed

I'm at work so didn't catch all of that video, but dude did not strike me as an authority on the subject.  It was still a pretty decent vid for checking out the sweet curves and features of teh shuttle, though.

He's good stuff.  I know some old-timers here have issues with him, but he is as obey as any of us imo.  He has a ton of good pce-related videos to peruse if you're ever bored, though he can sometimes be long-winded.

[HailingTheThings]

I want to tape a Captain Power action figure to the top of the PCE Shuttle and throw it against the wall. I don't know why.

[majors]

Speaking of the shuttle, i'm bidding on one right now. The seller is advertizing as junk since he doesnt have the power cable to test it. Any idea what are know problems with the shuttle, and if they can be fixed easily? Also, which power cable does it us? is it the same as the model 1 genesis?

It comes with the cool controller, so even if it doesnt work, not everything is lost

http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=repair:pcepowersupplies

Shuttle has a bigger tip I think than a Genny, but same volt/amp. I did the same thing, bought a "junk" Shuttle and sourced a A/V, AC and pad. I went through some hassle on the power because my first wall wort I found, even though had the right ratings listed, must have not had enough amps. The second one I found at Goodwill worked fine after I hacked on different tip.

Shuttle seems pretty simple tech, just like a "RF" and Core PCE's...no lasers to break. And like you said, your bidding on the pad...and that is the gem.

[toktogul]

awesome thanks for the feedbacks. how much did you pay for yours? I just wanna get an idea before dropping the big bucks on somethings that could be very well broken.

as for the wall part, are you talking about american electricity? i didnt follow you. If you have some tips to fix it in case its broken, i'm all ears. thanks again for your reply

[majors]

awesome thanks for the feedbacks. how much did you pay for yours? I just wanna get an idea before dropping the big bucks on somethings that could be very well broken.

as for the wall part, are you talking about american electricity? i didnt follow you. If you have some tips to fix it in case its broken, i'm all ears. thanks again for your reply

http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11364.msg215665#msg215665

I paid $90 shipped b/c it seemed to have issues(I needed to re-soldier the controller port) and no a/v or power.  It was totally a needless purchase, something that I just wanted. I ended up getting a Shuttle pad off e-bay for $35~.

The tip meaning the connection from the wall wart to the Shuttle. I think it's the same size as the white and core, but I cannot check ATM. I had to get a power for my IFU, Shuttle and RX all around the same time, so I get confused.

[KingDrool]

I've said this before, but I wish they would've used the Shuttle design for the TG-16. It's just so cool looking. Of course, there's that whole "no CD attachment" thing...

[rtyper]

the shuttle had no reason to exist
nec said it was to "appeal to children", children won't want to play CD games so let's gimp it
really, possibly the only hardware 'revision' that went larger
nec lost the plot at this point in their console stratagy and the rest is history

[toktogul]

I won the shuttle for 50$. Let's pray that it works! otherwise it will be a very expansive cool controller.

[esteban]

the shuttle had no reason to exist
nec said it was to "appeal to children", children won't want to play CD games so let's gimp it
really, possibly the only hardware 'revision' that went larger
nec lost the plot at this point in their console stratagy and the rest is history

I agree that gimping the Shuttle seems counter-productive. That said, the Shuttle did not harm NEC, so who cares? Perhaps it even helped capture folks away from competitors.

I think the Shuttle (the budget PCE) was released to capture consumers who would otherwise have purchased a Famicom/MegaDrive. This strategy (of "budget" models) has been used consistently by all the console-makers over the past decades—strip features/reduce costs and release "budget"/"novelty" versions of the original hardware.

SHUTTLE: introduced at 18,800 yen (~December 1989, if my memory serves me, +/- 1-2 months)
CORE GRAFX: selling for 24,800 yen (~December 1989)

The CD-ROM upgrade strategy still worked out for NEC. I have yet to see any evidence that millions of Shuttles (no upgrade path) were sold, which could have drastically hindered the potential  the growth of the CD-ROM user-base. Of course,you have to ask yourself: are the folks buying a BUDGET model likely to UPGRADE and purchase an expensive IFU+CD-ROM? Or are most of the Shuttle-owners a self-selected group of "budget" gamers? For example, I am a budget gamer when it comes to my kids—I buy software once it has been reduced.

The SHUTTLE, then, wasn't actually made for kids, but for budget-minded parents.

PARENT: "My son wants to play Blodia and Makyou Densetsu, what's the cheapest way to make that happen?"
CLERK: "NEC has a model of the PCE especially for you—the Shuttle!"
PARENT: "Thank Buddha! It looks like I'll save 6,000 yen, awesome."

 

[Necromancer]

nec lost the plot at this point in their console stratagy and the rest is history

Are you retarded?  The Shuttle was never meant to replace the 'normal' PCE; it debuted along side the Core Grafx, which sold quite well, as did the later Duos.

[rtyper]

of course i'm retarded, nec released a gimped console that nobody asked for.
despite most of the best games being released on and nec pushing publishers to
release more games on the cd format to push cd hardware sales.
releasing the sg with no software support and abandoning it with 5 games.
re-releasing the same hardware in multiple variations
pc engine
pc engine core
pc engine core 2
pc engine duo
pc engine dou r
pc engine duo rx

that's not counting the sg, shuttle, handhelds, laseractive, shuttle, scd
they could show sega a thing or two about 'upgrades'.

what was their plan?
throw enough shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks?
they obviously had no clear stratagy apart from the odd socket and lick of paint.