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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2014, 11:26:26 AM »
I like at 3:30.... "COCK PIT"

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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2014, 12:29:10 PM »

Expanding a bit on Street Fighter 2', at 20 megabits it's 2.5 times larger than the next biggest hucard. 

Not the biggest fan of the game, but Art of Fighting's characters are huge and really show off what a PC Engine with the additional space allotted by an arcade card could do.

Aside from that most games I'd mention (3x3 Eyes, Anearth Fantasy Stories, LoX2) have already been discussed.

Parodius 8Mb?

Who can quickly tell me the average Mb size of HuCARD and list the "biggest" ones...

4 megs was the sweet spot. So many impressive games given the relatively small size, yet still so many impressive 3 meg games.


Bigger ones:

8 megs:

Bonk 3
Bomberman '94
Fire Pro Wrestling 3
Lady Sword
Parodius Da
Strip Fighter II


6 megs:

Raiden
Neutopia II
Super Momo Tarou Dentetsu II
F1 Circus '92
Power League 5
Power League '93
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2014, 12:39:05 PM »
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2014, 01:09:13 PM »


Expanding a bit on Street Fighter 2', at 20 megabits it's 2.5 times larger than the next biggest hucard. 

Not the biggest fan of the game, but Art of Fighting's characters are huge and really show off what a PC Engine with the additional space allotted by an arcade card could do.

Aside from that most games I'd mention (3x3 Eyes, Anearth Fantasy Stories, LoX2) have already been discussed.


Parodius 8Mb?

Who can quickly tell me the average Mb size of HuCARD and list the "biggest" ones...


4 megs was the sweet spot. So many impressive games given the relatively small size, yet still so many impressive 3 meg games.


Bigger ones:

8 megs:

Bonk 3
Bomberman '94
Fire Pro Wrestling 3
Lady Sword
Parodius Da
Strip Fighter II


6 megs:

Raiden
Neutopia II
Super Momo Tarou Dentetsu II
F1 Circus '92
Power League 5
Power League '93


Thank you. Is that complete list of 8Mb? Or are there some others?

Same question for 6Mb. 

I'm using this info for an article I'm writing...it was perfect timing that this came up in conversation!
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2014, 02:19:14 PM »


Expanding a bit on Street Fighter 2', at 20 megabits it's 2.5 times larger than the next biggest hucard. 

Not the biggest fan of the game, but Art of Fighting's characters are huge and really show off what a PC Engine with the additional space allotted by an arcade card could do.

Aside from that most games I'd mention (3x3 Eyes, Anearth Fantasy Stories, LoX2) have already been discussed.


Parodius 8Mb?

Who can quickly tell me the average Mb size of HuCARD and list the "biggest" ones...


4 megs was the sweet spot. So many impressive games given the relatively small size, yet still so many impressive 3 meg games.


Bigger ones:

8 megs:

Bonk 3
Bomberman '94
Fire Pro Wrestling 3
Lady Sword
Parodius Da
Strip Fighter II


6 megs:

Raiden
Neutopia II
Super Momo Tarou Dentetsu II
F1 Circus '92
Power League 5
Power League '93


Thank you. Is that complete list of 8Mb? Or are there some others?

Same question for 6Mb. 

I'm using this info for an article I'm writing...it was perfect timing that this came up in conversation!


I don't know if it's complete, but it's at least 90% complete.

Quiz Toko Shashin is also 8 megs.

How big is Atlantean?

If SuperGrafx games count, these are all 8 meggers:

1941 Counter Attack
Aldynes
Battle Ace
Daimakaimura
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2014, 02:37:59 PM »
http://www.thebrothersduomazov.com/2013/01/seiya-monogatari-anearth-fantasy-stories.html





Yeah, Anearth Fantasy Stories definitely pushes the system to its max graphically, looking like better than a SNES RPG. Of course you gotta do Sapphire in such an episode, obvious one. Short on other ideas ATM. Many already mentioned.




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Ah, I see what you did there! I thought it was just a smiley at first. ;)

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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2014, 02:48:48 PM »
Not sure how much it pushes the system, but Metamor Jupiter's rotating colony stage always makes me drool.  The game does some large scaling effects at times though they are quite slow.
Yeah this was the first thing that comes to mind when I read the thread title



looks like mode 7 being done on pc engine super cd rom

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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2014, 04:00:22 PM »
Art of Fighting's resolution change that mimics the Neo Geo's screen scaling is a pretty impressive trick, given how relatively seamless it is.
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2014, 04:05:27 PM »
According to my rom directory, the full list of 8 mb games ist:

1941
Aldynes
Bomberman 94
Bonk 3
Daimakaimura
Darius Plus
Detana Twinbee
F1 Circus 92
Fire Pro Wrestling 3
Lady Sword
Parodius Da
Populous
Power League
Momotarou Densetsu
Neutopia 2
Quiz Takou Shashin
Raiden
Strip Fighter 2
Super Momotarou Densetsu 2
TV Sports Basketball
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2014, 04:08:41 PM »
Not sure how much it pushes the system, but Metamor Jupiter's rotating colony stage always makes me drool.  The game does some large scaling effects at times though they are quite slow.
Yeah this was the first thing that comes to mind when I read the thread title
looks like mode 7 being done on pc engine super cd rom

Yeah, that's pretty cool, never knew about this game. Video compression is terrible though, introducing artifacts, so I'd wanna see this on the real thing or from a better video, but yeah, it's impressive.

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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2014, 04:56:47 PM »
According to my rom directory, the full list of 8 mb games ist:

Daimakaimura
Power League
1941
Aldynes
Neutopia 2
Bomberman 94
Bonk 3
Detana Twinbee
Fire Pro Wrestling 3
Lady Sword
Parodius Da
Populous
Power League
Strip Fighter 2
Quiz Takou Shashin
Darius Plus
F1 Circus 92
Momotarou Densetsu
Raiden
Super Momotarou Densetsu 2
TV Sports Basketball


That list is definitely very wrong, but you made me realize I'd forgotten about Darius Plus, which is 6 megs.
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2014, 05:04:59 PM »
Interesting if it's wrong.  Why would the .pce files be different than the actual game roms...?
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2014, 05:46:48 PM »
According to my rom directory, the full list of 8 mb games ist:

1941
Aldynes
Bomberman 94
Bonk 3
Daimakaimura
Darius Plus
Detana Twinbee
F1 Circus 92
Fire Pro Wrestling 3
Lady Sword
Parodius Da
Populous
Power League
Momotarou Densetsu
Neutopia 2
Quiz Takou Shashin
Raiden
Strip Fighter 2
Super Momotarou Densetsu 2
TV Sports Basketball


 Twinbee is not an 8meg game. The rom dump is, but it's actually a 6meg game.

Interesting if it's wrong.  Why would the .pce files be different than the actual game roms...?

 Over dumps. So you don't have to handle different rom mirroring layouts on flash carts and emulation. But at the expense of a larger rom.



 OP: If you looking for games that have particular instances where it does something unique or 'pushes' the system, rather than a game as a whole - I could list some stuffs.

 TwinBee hucard - later stages uses quite a bit of sprites to do parallax. One part has a three layers as a result.

 Metamor Jupiter - the cannon barrel part. Not just hsync Y-scaling and X offset, but BG color #0 trick to add to the illusion. There's also a part where it has good dynamic tiles for a fake BG layer.

 Magical Chase - Good use of dynamic tiles, sprites and hsync interrupts to give more depth to 'scrolls'. First level uses the rarer BG color #0 trick. The trick is only used by a few games.

 Gradius 2 - Not really pushing the system per se, but the overall presentation is top tier package. And the fact that they managed to get the game running with almost no slowdown (Konami are great game designers, but not exactly great 'coders'. Even their dual 68k arcade board of the same game slows down). The dynamic tiles in to the two different stages were nice as well.

 Ninja Spirit - Only one real part is impressive and I've only seen it done once; dynamic tiles on a split bitplane level. The leaves of the trees on the second level are bit plan 2/3, and the dynamic tiles are on bitplane 0/1. They use a special palette so that you don't see the leaves changing colors, but the BG layer scrolling underneath them. But they could have just as well made this a transparency effect with scrolls. I don't know of any other game that does this, other than my TF4 PCE demo.

 
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2014, 06:28:37 PM »
Over dumps. So you don't have to handle different rom mirroring layouts on flash carts and emulation. But at the expense of a larger rom.

Oh, sensible.  Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: What games push the system?
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2014, 06:43:37 PM »
Star Parodier.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4eekqV5Tq7I#t=150
(dynamic tiles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JBvfV2xNLjE#t=177
(I'm not exactly sure how this layering trick is accomplished)


Also, Bonknuts posted this a million years ago. It might give you some inspiration:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13711943
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