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thesteve

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2014, 06:29:41 PM »
that sounds like a chip fault to me
all other buttons/directions working?

Desh

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2014, 01:02:06 AM »
Yes sir.  Everything else works fine.

thesteve

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2014, 07:12:51 AM »
with all else ruled out its the chip

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2014, 09:05:25 PM »
Bummer. :(

Dishwasher + 6280 chip did not mix well...

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2014, 05:24:35 AM »
Seems like Ive seen a lot of huc chips fail here recently.  Im not convinced the dishwasher did it.  Its possible it was on its way to failure already.
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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2014, 05:16:53 PM »
Well, enough time has passed and the rage I had with this duo has subsided.  Tonight I decided to pull the donor CPU off of a parts TG16 that BlueBMW was extremely kind to send to me (seriously dude I owe you big time).  I am trying to make time to install it in the finicky Duo tomorrow.  I have to say it is damn tough to desolder one of these guys without bending the pins all to hell.  I think I did an OK job but I am already worried about them lining back up with the pads.  I'm sure I'll have plenty of time in tweeking them to line up. 

For future reference what is your guys' method on pulling one of these things?


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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2014, 07:03:09 PM »
I've never removed a 62x0 chip from a nec system but I have removed snes PPUs before which are the exact same size with 20 more pins squeezed in.  I used a product called Chip Quik and got them off without bending any pins.  At least they weren't bent enough for me to notice or make transplanting them to another system difficult. 

I hear a lot of people use hot air to do it though.  If I knew I had to do it a lot I would probably try hot air but for a few one offs I'm more than happy with Chip Quik.

thesteve

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2014, 07:59:34 PM »
halogen lamp

Desh

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2014, 02:44:23 AM »
halogen lamp

Being a DIYer who learns as I go I have never heard of this.  What's the process?  I assume you have a specialized flexible stand of some sort with a powerful bulb.  Do you flux the pins?  Can you usually work the chip up at one time or use something to gently lift pins while under the light?

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2014, 02:52:09 AM »

halogen lamp

Being a DIYer who learns as I go I have never heard of this.  What's the process?  I assume you have a specialized flexible stand of some sort with a powerful bulb.  Do you flux the pins?  Can you usually work the chip up at one time or use something to gently lift pins while under the light?

Place halogen bulb directly on PCB. Wash your hair in the sink. Towel dry. Return to work bench. Sweep up ashes, deposit in trash bin.
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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2014, 04:06:53 AM »
Using 2 50W lamps with foil covered reflectors
1 above the chip about 3/4 in
The other below board about 1.5 in
Wait for solder to melt
Remove chip

Desh

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2014, 04:29:58 AM »
The brain transplant has been competed.  I have ALL controller functions back!  This at least confirms the old 6280 was indeed bad.  I do have some messed up colors and no sound though so I just need to double check some connections but there are signs of life.

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2014, 05:04:24 AM »
Awesome!
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Desh

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2014, 08:34:58 AM »
Ugh!  So close I can taste it.  I spent some more time with it and got everything working great.  The only thing giving me trouble is I have very little left side audio.

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Re: PCE DUO Controller problems.
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2014, 03:22:27 PM »
OK... it seems like fixing one problem breads another on this infernal machine.  I've double checked the left audio circuit and note I have a weak signal but, can't figure out why.  I double checked my connection at pin 17 of Hu6280 and that's all good.  I used a small home made probe to test the audio sound at different points in the circuit going to op amp 4558.  Left audio input is pin 2 of 4558.  Using this probe on pin 6 of 4558 (right audio in) the audio is nice and loud.  Check left audio in at pin 2 it is pretty faint.  I have this faint audio all along the left audio circuit.  I tried to bypass all of the circuit and vias by running a wire directly from pin 17 of 6280 to C878 which is a small smd cap.  This yielded no change.

It seems to me the circuit itself is fine but where is runs through all of the small smd stuff must slightly boost the signal before going into the op amp.  My only guess at this point is one of the small smd components has failed.  If the op amp failed I suspect I would have low or no sound on left AND right.  Also, I noted that the left channel has much lower sound than the right going INTO the op amp. 

The rage is beginning to build again.  Any suggestions?