Author Topic: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"  (Read 3568 times)

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #150 on: December 11, 2014, 08:48:31 AM »
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You're obviously a moron.

Another ad hominem attack. Consider yourself lucky I'm even bothering to respond.

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The only thing of true value that tobias is offering is the content on the disc, which wouldn't exist without people like Tom.  Don't try to say I'm wrong, as we all know you wouldn't pay more than a couple bucks if it was just the case, manual, and a blank disc.

Then why aren't I paying you and others 119 Euro? The proof is in the pudding; he is bringing a real, tangible joy to my doorstep that I can put in my system and play. If he wasn't offering the value, why would I be sending him my money?

The files have zero value sitting around on your hard drive. That's why you're not making money off of them. Their value becomes manifest in the product that Tobias is offering-- not before. An idea is worthless if it hasn't been brought into the world.

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #151 on: December 11, 2014, 09:11:27 AM »
Another ad hominem attack. Consider yourself lucky I'm even bothering to respond.

Lucky?  After you called Tom a butthurt whiner, I couldn't care less if you dropped off the face of earth.

Then why aren't I paying you and others 119 Euro?  The proof is in the pudding; he is bringing a real, tangible joy to my doorstep that I can put in my system and play. If he wasn't offering the value, why would I be sending him my money?

The files have zero value sitting around on your hard drive. That's why you're not making money off of them. Their value becomes manifest in the product that Tobias is offering-- not before. An idea is worthless if it hasn't been brought into the world.

You believe translations, homebrew, etc. are worthless and not 'real world' until someone makes pressed discs?  That's simply absurd.  If I sit you down in front of a system with the game running, you'll never be able to tell if it's a cd or cdr (or flashcart instead of a commercial hucard), so how is one any less 'real world' than the other?
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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #152 on: December 11, 2014, 09:33:09 AM »
Well, this thread went to shit fast...lol   I think I will just go f%^$ myself....with a hair dryer....   

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #153 on: December 11, 2014, 10:07:37 AM »


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The only thing of true value that tobias is offering is the content on the disc, which wouldn't exist without people like Tom.  Don't try to say I'm wrong, as we all know you wouldn't pay more than a couple bucks if it was just the case, manual, and a blank disc.

Then why aren't I paying you and others 119 Euro? The proof is in the pudding; he is bringing a real, tangible joy to my doorstep that I can put in my system and play. If he wasn't offering the value, why would I be sending him my money?

The files have zero value sitting around on your hard drive. That's why you're not making money off of them. Their value becomes manifest in the product that Tobias is offering-- not before. An idea is worthless if it hasn't been brought into the world.

sniper, you are confused. You have it backwards.

Tobias did not translate a game. Or patch it. Or create audio dubs for cinemas. Or hack MegaMan, Castlevania, Dragon Warrior, Contra, etc. to play on PCE.

TOBIAS DID NONE OF THESE THINGS.

sniper, you do realize that when folks like Bonknuts and NightWolve and Burnt_Lasagna and  _________ stop creating new stuff (translation patches, audio dubs, hacks, new games).....we all suffer, right?

TOBIAS DOESN'T GIVE A f*ck.

Apparently, you don't either.

I do.

So, go f*ck yourself. :)

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #154 on: December 11, 2014, 10:30:14 AM »
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I couldn't care less if you dropped off the face of earth.

Wat... if I say to you, "you're being irrationally butthurt, and here is my reasoning", that is not an ad hominem attack. Calling me a "moron" and a "troglodyte" is.

And about your latest argument: let me reiterate, proof is in the pudding. If you want to make money, offer me a product or service whereby I value the marginal utility of the product or service more than the marginal utility of the money I'm foregoing. Don't get pissy that someone else is doing that.


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Tobias did not translate a game. Or patch it. Or create audio dubs for cinemas. Or hack MegaMan, Castlevania, Dragon Warrior, Contra, etc. to play on PCE.

Yikes, go back and re-read my message. You are literate, right?

Anyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #155 on: December 11, 2014, 10:54:44 AM »
Anyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.

EVERYBODY'S CRAZY BUT ME!!!!!!

If you don't understand how packaging someone else's work and selling it, without giving them an ounce of credit or making the slightest attempt to reimburse them - because the money you've made would not be possible without the work that they did - is a shitty thing...well...I join the peanut gallery and invite you to GFY.
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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #156 on: December 11, 2014, 11:03:13 AM »
Well, this thread went to shit fast...lol   I think I will just go f%^$ myself....with a hair dryer....   

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just making some more pcefx memories Berns.... Ahhhh good times.

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #157 on: December 11, 2014, 11:36:25 AM »
Well, this thread went to shit fast...lol   I think I will just go f%^$ myself....with a hair dryer....   

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just making some more pcefx memories Berns.... Ahhhh good times.

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PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #158 on: December 11, 2014, 01:14:09 PM »

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Tobias did not translate a game. Or patch it. Or create audio dubs for cinemas. Or hack MegaMan, Castlevania, Dragon Warrior, Contra, etc. to play on PCE.

Yikes, go back and re-read my message. You are literate, right?

Anyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.

You read my posts, correct?

Reducing the complexity of our discussion (which involves ethics) to a binary economic formula that even a mentally challenged cave-dweller would find ludicrous is...hilarious!


sniper's theory of value*

Value = physical commodity delivered to customer  (pieces of plastic/paper sold by Tobias)

No value = time/energy/skill/labor/expertise to create translation/dub/hack (distributed digitally/online)

*a willfully narrow, overly-simplistic formulation that fails to capture the complexity of the real-world issues at hand.



Hilarious! Your theory of value, which sidesteps the VERY HEART OF OUR DISCUSSION is a naive attempt to misdirect us.

Again, re-read my post (I linked to it in a prior post) and post a thoughtful reply.

This is my second request that you respond to ANY of the 7-8 points I listed.

I am waiting for your thoughtful response.


Meanwhile...
You are a coy illusionist, sniper. You have no desire to engage in the actual discussion. Your logic does not hold. Your argument does not hold. Oh, you vainly tried to dress your limp thesis in the sterile, stiff cloak of economics....but you forgot that we are literate and semi-intelligent.

We are the Cro-Magnon to your Le Troglodyte.
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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #159 on: December 11, 2014, 01:36:53 PM »
If you want to make money, offer me a product or service whereby I value the marginal utility of the product or service more than the marginal utility of the money I'm foregoing. Don't get pissy that someone else is doing that.

This is similar to what was said before. I can and will get "pissy" when my work hours were somehow involved. If you can clap like a seal and say only positive things about his actions because it serves your interests in wanting a pressed disc, so too can negative things be said about him if he took advantage of somebody else to produce his product, most especially by the actual people who had their terms-of-use violated... You don't get to tell critics they somehow have no say via "don't get pissy," only that YOU do. The world is not a "only positive comments allowed" when it suits you, you're not "entitled" to that, so to speak.

I don't fall into this category, but another point is that many fan hackers/translators have a strict fan credo view that the work is non-profit and specifically state in their licensing files that the work is not to be sold by anyone. Not that they will be listened to, not that they have legal rights, WE KNOW THAT, only to make known their wishes! Such people do not want discs pressed, and are not ever going to make them themselves... Duh! So you going around and telling them either make the pressed discs yourselves, or don't get pissy (read: don't complain, shut up!) when somebody else does without consent/notification, is self-serving, entirely disrespectful of their viewpoint and the conditions under which they did the work in the first place.

You're NOT "entitled" to receiving a pressed disc and neither was Tobias in making one [legally] since he escaped thousands of dollars in license fees, just so you know.

Anyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.

It's not that we're too emotional to process reason, it's that you're apparently too self-serving to criticize him for his past actions, both his lying about his Sapphire bootlegs which have cost suckers hundreds of dollars, and the taking of fan work without consent/notification.

Given Bonknuts explanation though, I now have to revise what I said about Tobias if they indeed spoke to each other at some point. It was Bonknuts that contacted him, not the other way around though, but that might be understandable if the source of the Rockman bootleg was some auction in Japan and Tobias took it and duped more of them.
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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #160 on: December 11, 2014, 01:39:25 PM »
Zzzzz....Zzzzzzz....Zzzzz....

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #161 on: December 11, 2014, 01:55:12 PM »
Oh sorry, not entertaining enough for ole toymachine here...

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #162 on: December 11, 2014, 03:07:23 PM »
Most everyone is making valid points, let's just accept that and be courteous to our Turbros, even if some have been less than courteous to us in the past. Some guys have had bridges burned and will never reconcile, that's their prerogative. Tobias seems to be moving in the right direction but he's certainly no hero, and my point was in the spirit of enthusiasm, as my bro Steve said, I love the idea of these repros. And I'm not alone. However, Tobias execution of the idea has been flawed, so as a community lets learn and grow from this in a positive way in the creation of future projects.

And thank you Nightwolve for your work on Ys IV, great stuff. Im too stupid to figure out how to burn a copy that works in my Duo, but someday. :)
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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #163 on: December 11, 2014, 03:40:22 PM »
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... if the source of the Rockman bootleg was some auction in Japan and Tobias took it and duped more of them.

IIRC, that's what he *claimed*. Then someone here bought a copy, and dumped it. Lo and Behold, it
was an exact duplicate (byte for byte) of Bonknuts iso :) Which is what started the whole sh*t storm.

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If you want to make money, offer me a product or service whereby I value the marginal utility of the product or service more than the marginal utility of the money I'm foregoing. Don't get pissy that someone else is doing that.

Want to buy a stolen VCR? I cleaned it and made sure it worked....
...and don't say its not the same. Rockman was taken without consent for distribution.  Personal use only is the general rule for downloads.

I believe Bonknuts did the whole NES-to-PCE conversions for educational reasons; he wanted to know if it would be possible. He shared that information hoping others would then be able to use it. Not sell it.

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Re: PCE Memories "Turbo Duo Edition"
« Reply #164 on: December 11, 2014, 03:46:31 PM »
And thank you Nightwolve for your work on Ys IV, great stuff. Im too stupid to figure out how to burn a copy that works in my Duo, but someday. :)


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