Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals

[esteban]

I think then we need to wait for proof of material cost before I can respond further as I can't build a counter-argument to the ethics of it.

Like I said, I love you, slinky, for being the only one brave enough to keep the dialogue going.

But, yeah, I've wasted enough of our time.

Here is the thread about PCE MegaMan (you might not have known this exists...)

(1) Bonknuts PCE MegaMan
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11230.msg212640#msg212640

(2) Tobias took fan port, burned CD-R's and sold them for profit:
http://sapphire.anime4ever.de/

Tobias is still very active (you may have seen the recent threads about the PCE / DUO bootleg boxsets)

[slinkyturd]

Any more of those megaman copies circulating around? That looks like something I'd be interested in purchasing at some point.

[NightWolve]

Click este's 2nd link: sold out.

[jtucci31]

I think then we need to wait for proof of material cost before I can respond further as I can't build a counter-argument to the ethics of it.

Like I said, I love you, slinky, for being the only one brave enough to keep the dialogue going.

But, yeah, I've wasted enough of our time.

Here is the thread about PCE MegaMan (you might not have known this exists...)

(1) Bonknuts PCE MegaMan
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11230.msg212640#msg212640

(2) Tobias took fan port, burned CD-R's and sold them for profit:
http://sapphire.anime4ever.de/

Tobias is still very active (you may have seen the recent threads about the PCE / DUO bootleg boxsets)

Now I'm not sure how much Tobias sold the PCE MegaMan's for, but Brrraaapp is now selling his own version as well....I uhhh.....

The whole price thing is still an issue with me though, I agree. I'm very confused why one game costs $45 and with the lack of information I have about this, it steers me away.

But esteban, awhile ago in this thread you said that if he were to sell everything but the burned CD, that would be ok. Why exactly? I'm just curious.

Hypothetically, if $45 really is at cost (which i doubt) AND (hypothetically again) he got the consent from the translators for say, Ys IV, would that be ok? Does the issue lie with the fact that it's someone's translation-work being "manufactured", hence taking away their efforts to provide a free English patch? Or does the issue arise when you throw in the aspect of this price debacle (charging too much) which has not been sorted out?

Hope I'm not beating a dead horse, I just want to understand this. I guess if anything I'll get sparky's Ys IV manual when i get the MC box. 

[slinkyturd]

Oh, I thought the second link was to Tobias' copies for sale. I didn't want to buy from him.

[Bernie]

I have actually been talking with this guy for a bit now, and although I have not seen receipts, I have to believe him when he says he is not making much if anything off of these.  The manuals aren't being done in house, but at a shop, so there is a lot of cost right there.  By the time you get say 5 or 10 done, and pick them up you have spent a bit in time, gasoline, and material.  Ink for a decent printer for inserts and the discs is freaking high as well, we all know that.  To top it off, the discs he are using are some high quality blanks, not the crappy ones you find in an everyday Wal-Fart.  I even spoke to him about just printing the labels on blank discs, and allowing the buyer to burn their own game.  We all know, that is NOT the best idea.  It will happen, someone will attempt to burn a game and create a coaster, and now we have a wasted beautiful piece of shit that won't do anything.  Anyone here that has burned one ( see what I done there ), knows it happens.  Basically, you are't paying for the game itself, but the art and inserts along with the physical media.  The burned game is actually a service to the buyer.  Not only are they burned, but are tested in an actual Duo before he prints the labels on them.  I for one think this is an excellent idea.  I myself am fairly good at burning the games, and playing them in my own hardware....but do I want to buy the package, along with a blank CD-R with a nice looking label, and take the chance on fudging it?    Not really.. 

I guess I am trying to say, I don't see an issue with paying guy A, for creating something that guy B cannot, even it is does mean Mr. A makes a few bucks off it.  This guy is pretty down to Earth, and I truly believe what he is saying.  Some people don't give two shits if their CD-R has sharpie on it, or a printed sticker label, and to be honest with you all I don't either, but these really do look good.  For those folks, they don't have to actually get the disc.  I am willing to bet, the price would reflect that. 

[esteban]

But esteban, awhile ago in this thread you said that if he were to sell everything but the burned CD, that would be ok. Why exactly? I'm just curious.

Hypothetically, if $45 really is at cost (which i doubt) AND (hypothetically again) he got the consent from the translators for say, Ys IV, would that be ok? Does the issue lie with the fact that it's someone's translation-work being "manufactured", hence taking away their efforts to provide a free English patch? Or does the issue arise when you throw in the aspect of this price debacle (charging too much) which has not been sorted out?

Hope I'm not beating a dead horse, I just want to understand this. I guess if anything I'll get sparky's Ys IV manual when i get the MC box. 

Oh, it's simple.

If he removes the CD-R, then $45 is for the printed paper manual/insert materials only—folks can decide for themselves if $45 is worth it.

Now, upon doing this, I told Brasppppp I would still have issue with his price.

But I feel a lot better with folks paying $_____ for the work Braaap actually completed himself (manual+insert).

I always had two grievances against Brraapp:

(1) including the CD-R
(2) his price

He can make my first grievance disappear immediately.

He can see if folks are willing to pay $45 without the game.

I have suggested that he knows $45 for paper alone is a tough sell, which is why I suspect he includes the CD-R.

[esteban]

I guess I am trying to say, I don't see an issue with paying guy A, for creating something that guy B cannot, even it is does mean Mr. A makes a few bucks off it.  This guy is pretty down to Earth, and I truly believe what he is saying.  Some people don't give two shits if their CD-R has sharpie on it, or a printed sticker label, and to be honest with you all I don't either, but these really do look good.  For those folks, they don't have to actually get the disc.  I am willing to bet, the price would reflect that.

I love you Bernie

I agree about the design/quality. I have stated that everything looks nice.

Also, I agree about the impractical nature of selling blank media with design on it (except I wouldn't use a bad burn as a coaster, I'd put it in a frame).

However, Brraaaapp can avoid all of this by simply following what Sparky does: Sparky doesn't deal with the games themselves (HuCARD or CD). People pay Sparky for Sparky's design and workmanship and labor.

Read my response to NightWolve above.

HONESTLY, if Brrraaap is not motivated by the money, this should not be an issue AT ALL.

Let some folks cry about not having a fancy disc.

Morality and ethics—sometimes they require you to forgo indulgences like cute artwork on a CD-R.

[esteban]

I concur, null.

Also, I was trying to be subtle, but some folks need help with the obvious: these forums are not for selling ISO's/CDR's of Ys IV, Dracula X, and/or __________.

[ClodBuster]

As we all know, the PCE Drac X is still available on the Wii Virtual Console. I guess Konami frowns on seeing bootlegs being sold.

[slinkyturd]

I kind of take issue with the worry of the feelings of the folks working the translations. Either sell them yourself and don't post them up for free, or post them for free and expect someone to finish the complete package and sell it. One or the other.

[elderbroom]

Also to clarify the mention of $45 was from me.  And that was the price that a local retail store (Toy Ratt) in Milton, Ontario, Canada is selling them for (so they get them from Brraap and have their markup to make some profit .. I won't comment on my opinion of seeing these in a retail store).  So that is $45 CDN, and not from Brraap.  I'm not sure I actually saw him post his prices (maybe I missed it). He can't help shipping costs (and yes, appears he's in Canada), so they are what they are.  I might be considering a Y's IV and Fantasy Star Soldier if he does them in the new year depending on the cost directly to me.

[HailingTheThings]

I feel this guy is exaggerating shipping costs. Also, everything else.

I shipped an extra copy of Street Fighter II CE in the original fat ass jewel case dual that it came in to a friendo in teh Canadadada not that long ago. was like $16-ish. And yes that was with tracking and blah blah blah.

Also, Taiyoyeryota discs < Mitusi/Mam-A. For serious. Bam. Done. Print. Sex.

[Necromancer]

I have actually been talking with this guy for a bit now, and although I have not seen receipts, I have to believe him when he says he is not making much if anything off of these.  The manuals aren't being done in house, but at a shop, so there is a lot of cost right there.  By the time you get say 5 or 10 done.....

I repeat: if it's costing him anywhere near that much he's doing it wrong.  A professional CD place will do up 50 with full color manuals/insert/disc (quality thermal print not comparatively fragile and shitty inkjet print) and with a jewel case for $150.  While that may be more quantity than is desired or needed, at his prices you'd only have to sell six to break even; you could then toss the rest in the trash and you'd still have a better product for the six that were sold.

[Brraap]

Im going to try and clarify the pricing for you guys, i DO NOT charge 45$ for one of these. If someone wants 1 complete, its 45$ with tracked shipping to the USA. If they want 2, 65$, 3 85$, 4 100$. Shipping for 1 or up to 4 is not that much difference in price. I didn't think i was going to have to do this, but to try and make some of you feel better about this, picture 1 is 1 game sent to Utah. That does not include packaging. Picture 2 is 4 sent to Rhode Island. I cannot control the shipping prices, It is what it is. Shipping across Canada is pretty well the same prices too.