Author Topic: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals  (Read 3044 times)

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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2014, 07:45:06 AM »
If it's costing you anywhere near $45 to make a manual and insert, you're doing it VERY wrong.

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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2014, 07:57:10 AM »
If it's costing you anywhere near $45 to make a manual and insert, you're doing it VERY wrong.

Tracked Shipping is almost 20$ for 1 game or 4 games, thats where the biggest cost is. If i sell more than 1 game to someone the price drops drastically.
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2014, 08:16:30 AM »
Tracked Shipping is almost 20$ for 1 game or 4 games, thats where the biggest cost is. If i sell more than 1 game to someone the price drops drastically.

If it's costing you anywhere near $25 to make a manual and insert, you're still doing it VERY wrong.
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2014, 08:42:35 AM »
Using facebook is doing it very wrong, too.

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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2014, 09:02:40 AM »
just an fyi if you want a cheaper option, i still offer the YS IV English Manuals for $4.
I have not bumped the thread in awhile but i still have them.

Full manuals are more of a pain to make i give you that Brraap.

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2014, 11:25:01 AM »
the manuals I had copied for a few friends were 8.00 each and that was through a commercial company that did it with a profit margin.  I think your full of shit.
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2014, 09:26:48 AM »
In before the flame war starts. :twisted:

In all seriousness, though, I like the concept, but I'm a little skeptical about the execution. I have questions:

Did you get ANY sort of permission from the creators of the translations?

Why are you doing this through a Facebook page, and not a website?

Why do your manuals and inserts cost so much? Is that the price for a complete game, or just the paper goods? If it's just for the paper goods, I really doubt that you're doing this non-profit. :-k
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Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2014, 12:17:34 PM »
STOP FLATTERING THIS GUY.

ALSO, STOP PRETENDING THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE PRINTED MANUALS/INSERTS.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

PROFITEERING.

Look, I like the idea of translated manuals. Yes, it takes time to translate (but who did the translation, exactly?) and it takes time to recreate a manual in English. It takes to design things that are aesthetically pleasing.

However, that doesn't excuse PLAIN-AS-BALLS profiteering.

Nobody should profit from the work of Bonknuts/tomeithous/BurntLasagna/etc.

P.S. Can someone screenshot Facebook. I don't do that sh!te so I haven't seen the page in question.
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2014, 01:56:47 PM »
Nobody should profit from the work of Bonknuts/tomeithous/BurntLasagna/etc.
He should probably contact them first, unless they've explicitly stated that anyone can use it for any end.

Assuming those translations are under a GPL-like license,  the way I see it, there's no problem with him selling these manuals/inserts for any price, even $500 a piece. So long as he provides the pdfs (or whatever the format they're stored in) online.

That way people can print their own, and even print them and sell them to others. If he sold them for too much, someone would come in with a fairer price et voila.

If he wants to profiteer and not provide the pdfs, then he needs to use all of his own original work, that way he can license it however he wants.

Of course this depends on the license that the translators have on their work, they might say anyone can do anything with it (even what he's doing) or any projects using their translations must also be provided for free.

Nevermind the original game's licenses, because both the translation and manuals are almost certainly violating them.

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Regarding the Megaman PCE Memories release, does anyone know what license, if any, the Megaman code was released under?
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2014, 12:56:26 PM »
Ok im going to explain some things, for you guys that think im making a huge
profit on this stuff, The manuals are printed in a print shop, not at home,
and I only get 5 at time, if I was getting 100+ at a time i could get them a little
bit cheaper, but thats not going to happen. All the inserts are printed by me on glossy
photo style paper, It probably is overkill, but it looks really nice, and when i started
doing this it was for myself, and thats what I wanted. All the text for the manuals was
inserted by me. I used all original manual scans, erased all the text, rebuilt the pages
and then inserted the text. And then added or removed some pages as i went. As for
contacting the guys that had worked on the game translations, I tried to contact Nightwovle
but did not get a response. I thought about sending these out and let the buyer burn the
game, but some people dont have the proper knowledge, or the proper hardware to do
it themselves, and really in the end, it wouldnt be any cheaper for me or the buyer. And
the buyer could end up with a coaster. I test every game before i send it out. I have also
traded away more than i have sold, with members here on this site. A few months ago
I had a game on ebay that a member ended up buying, and when i realized it was a
member here i offered him a game of his choice, no charge. And he gladly chose one.
I also offered up a really rare game for trade a few weeks back. I could have thrown it
up on ebay and profited from it, but instead i decided to offer it for trade to a member.
And that member also chose a free game.
So im sorry if some of you are not happy about me selling a few games here and there
on my spare time. More people are happy about than upset with it.
Any members here that have gotten a game from me, feel free to post on this topic
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2014, 01:39:54 PM »
BurntLasagna was pretty adamantly against it. :(

I'm sure Falcom and Konami are fine with it. :lol:  Nightwolve is also probably stoked to see the translated Ys selling for so cheap. He didnt put anywhere near as much time into it as was put into the manual and whatnots.

Heh-heh. Well, I was gonna tell him since he never contacted anyone in the translation projects beforehand to sell those CD-Rs close to cost, etc. Sounds like he says he's doing that unlike Tobias and his Megaman CDs, etc. Then again, here he's only offering the manuals.

You're Jodi, braap ? Yeah, I didn't get around to replying to you, I was gonna accept your offer for some discs and just tell ya to sell at cost cause if it's at profit the ethical way to do it is I gotta then contact project members and work out business with them and you, either flat fee, royalty split, or to donate and yield any take, etc... That's a hassle I don't need at this time.

I'd love to press a real CD-ROM of Ys IV some day, but I realize I can't stop someone from beating me to it and that person like Tobias assuming cause it's a free translation patch, it's free for him/her to slap on a disc and not bother to contact anyone that made it... It's understadable about not reaching someone inside the publisher for a license or paying $5k+ if you do, but fan translation teams are easily reached... I'd guess Tobias was more scared of Bonknuts asking for a royalty split of profits then yelling at him for doing it when it came to that Megaman CD... So what did the guy do instead ? Just pretended not to know where the Megaman hack/port came from... That's how it goes, 99% looking out for number one when you get down to it...
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2014, 01:43:40 PM »
Ok im going to explain some things, for you guys that think im making a huge
profit on this stuff, The manuals are printed in a print shop, not at home,
and I only get 5 at time, if I was getting 100+ at a time i could get them a little
bit cheaper, but thats not going to happen. All the inserts are printed by me on glossy
photo style paper, It probably is overkill, but it looks really nice, and when i started
doing this it was for myself, and thats what I wanted. All the text for the manuals was
inserted by me. I used all original manual scans, erased all the text, rebuilt the pages
and then inserted the text. And then added or removed some pages as i went. As for
contacting the guys that had worked on the game translations, I tried to contact Nightwovle
but did not get a response. I thought about sending these out and let the buyer burn the
game, but some people dont have the proper knowledge, or the proper hardware to do
it themselves, and really in the end, it wouldnt be any cheaper for me or the buyer. And
the buyer could end up with a coaster. I test every game before i send it out.

There I edited out the tail end, this is all you needed to say man.

I support doing these things to help the community but the right price point is key. I appreciate you explaining yourself as what you are doing is more costly, a lot more, there are other inexpensive print options out there that look just as good but if your happy with the results and others are as well then so be it.

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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2014, 01:46:58 PM »
BurntLasagna was pretty adamantly against it. :(

I'm sure Falcom and Konami are fine with it. :lol:  Nightwolve is also probably stoked to see the translated Ys selling for so cheap. He didnt put anywhere near as much time into it as was put into the manual and whatnots.

Heh-heh. Well, I was gonna tell him since he never contacted anyone in the translation projects beforehand to sell those etcRs close to cost, etc. Sounds like he says he's doing that unlike Tobias and his Megaman CDs, etc. Then again, here he's only offering the manuals.

You're Jodi, braap ? Yeah, I didn't get around to replying to you, I was gonna accept your offer for some discs and just tell ya to sell at cost cause if it's at profit the ethical way to do it is I gotta then contact project members and work out business with them and you, either flat fee or royalty split, etc...

The only profit I make is MAYBE my gas money to drive to the nearest post office when i need to ship a game. Another cost i never factor into things. Living in the boonies, and a 25-30 min drive to the post office
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Re: Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2014, 01:51:34 PM »
Don't over sell it man, Christ.. Look at my prices? You want to get into details and time I spend and not charge for. Sigh. I have a couple glasses of wine in me, happy thanksgiving I should just go to bed.

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Dracula X and YS IV English Manuals
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2014, 11:37:50 PM »
Ok im going to explain some things, for you guys that think im making a huge
profit on this stuff, The manuals are printed in a print shop, not at home,
and I only get 5 at time, if I was getting 100+ at a time i could get them a little
bit cheaper, but thats not going to happen. All the inserts are printed by me on glossy
photo style paper, It probably is overkill, but it looks really nice, and when i started
doing this it was for myself, and thats what I wanted. All the text for the manuals was
inserted by me. I used all original manual scans, erased all the text, rebuilt the pages
and then inserted the text. And then added or removed some pages as i went. As for
contacting the guys that had worked on the game translations, I tried to contact Nightwovle
but did not get a response. I thought about sending these out and let the buyer burn the
game, but some people dont have the proper knowledge, or the proper hardware to do
it themselves, and really in the end, it wouldnt be any cheaper for me or the buyer. And
the buyer could end up with a coaster. I test every game before i send it out.

There I edited out the tail end, this is all you needed to say man.

I support doing these things to help the community but the right price point is key. I appreciate you explaining yourself as what you are doing is more costly, a lot more, there are other inexpensive print options out there that look just as good but if your happy with the results and others are as well then so be it.

I agree with Sparky.

I will be more precise in my misgivings, though. Below, I explain my fears/my suspicions....

Please believe me when I say I that I hope you stay with us and possibly even collaborate on future non-profit projects (see very bottom). Our community needs talented people who want to create stuff and share it. When $$$ is involved...well, it becomes a touchy subject...as this thread is a testament to. 




IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POST:

I hear you and I want to believe you. Assuming you are sincere, let me start by saying that I fear your good intentions have still led you down the wrong path, IMHO.

Why?

Including the CD-ROM as part of the package— That's a major sticking point. There is no way I can excuse this.

Remove the CD-ROM and then I am much more comfortable with the idea.

I would still criticize you for the prices, of course, but people would LITERALLY only be paying for the specific services YOU provided (YOUR ACTUAL LABOR: scanning/modifying the items, printing them, assembling them, packing, shipping). If folks felt your labor was worth $___, so be it.

See?

My fear, comrade, is that you anticipated that only a handful of people would find the printed items ALONE (the fruit of your labor) to be worth what you are asking, so....you include the CD-ROM (the fruit of others' labor) to ensure you can charge a premium price for the overall package.

My fear, you see, is that the CD-ROM itself is what many folks want (it helps justify the overall price you are charging).

As Necro stated earlier, if you need $45+ dollars to simply cover all your expenses...just don't do it as a  "service"....





DISCLAIMER: I am not saying you are a evil. I don't know your true intentions. I don't know if you see DOLLAH SIGNS when you rest your head on your scanner....

WHAT I AM SAYING IS that however sincere your intentions, your execution was flawed and led to very predictable condemnations (from a few of us).

To put it another way: dump the CD-ROM from your offerings.

Sorry to ruin your day.....BUT.....

Also, maybe you (we) should work on some additional PCE manual translations. But we won't charge for it. And we won't choose HIGHLY PROFITABLE titles like Dracula X. Instead, we could choose games that are lots of fun (Son Son II) especially with a manual that provides valuable info...our mission would be to broaden the appeal/accessibility of these games by offering an English manual.

I'm serious. :)
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