Anti-Vaccine/Vaccination Movement

[Phase]

Look, just doing 5 minutes of searching I found out vaccines have some dangerous ingredients. Mercury is toxic and does cause neurological damage to humans last time I checked....

You don't say. 

I don't think its absurd, look into how scary mercury is to your health.

Nobody is claiming that vaccines (or any drug really) is the equivalent of eating health food.  Whatever dangers are present in the vaccine (it's not just chemicals, you're literally being injected with a weakened form of the disease) are overshadowed by the immunity granted, which is the point of that video.

So we agree it’s ok to discuss the possible dangers or concerns. I think your giving the video too much credit though and it looks more like a slapped together hit piece on anyone who questions vaccine safety.

But I'm sure you're right - everyone should try their hand at beating polio, small pox, mumps, rubella, tetanus, diptheria, h flu, whooping cough, typhoid, and yellow fever.  I hear they're fun.

Well now I never said don’t get this or that vaccine, my argument was more about concerns with ingredients and people having a right to question vaccines safety,  I may have injected opinions on my lack of confidence in the news and lack of trust in pharmaceutical companies as well

You can request vaccines without mercury based preservatives in some cases, that would be nice to know if your concerned. Tetanus for example can be treated after you have it, that is also something not mentioned often.

[wildfruit]

I had all my childhood vaccinations and I turned out almost ok?

[Necromancer]

I don't think its absurd, look into how scary mercury is to your health.

Ingesting large amounts is dangerous, but scientific evidence says the small amount in vaccines is not.  Nor is the amount found in seafood, dental amalgam, etc. a serious concern.

With your fool's logic, nobody should drink water because if you drink enough it'll kill you. 

So we agree it’s ok to discuss the possible dangers or concerns.  I think your giving the video too much credit though and it looks more like a slapped together hit piece on anyone who questions vaccine safety...... Well now I never said don’t get this or that vaccine......

That's exactly what you're saying.  Everyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that there's inherent risk in ANY medical procedure, so what you're doing is using those minor concerns as an excuse to not get vaccines.

I may have injected opinions on my lack of confidence in the news and lack of trust in pharmaceutical companies as well

Pull your tinfoil hat down tight.

[NightWolve]

Me and Jenny McCarthy are hanging out later today to join our local anti-vaccine movement. Look, just doing 5 minutes of searching I found out vaccines have some dangerous ingredients. Mercury is toxic  and does cause neurological damage to humans last time I checked, Is this the sole cause of autism, No. Ingesting mercury is different than putting it directly into your bloodstream as well. Now think about babies and small children. Many of the other ingredients don't sound very nutritious either. checking out ingredients isn't rocket science folks, wow I must be coco for cocoa puffs how dare i question the medical industry.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

OK, so he's talking about thimerosal which was used as a vaccine preservative since the 1930s.

1) "Since 1999, the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) asked vaccine makers to remove thiomersal from vaccines as quickly as possible as a purely precautionary measure, and it was rapidly phased out of most U.S. and European vaccines."

2) "Much progress has been made to date in removing or reducing thimerosal in vaccines. New pediatric formulations of hepatitis B vaccines have been licensed by the FDA, Recombivax-HB (Merck, thimerosal free) in August 1999"

3) "The current scientific consensus is that no convincing scientific evidence supports the claims of a thimerosal-autism link" - and the 2011 journal article indicating such a link was later debunked.

So basically, he's gonna keep arguing like it's 1999 (pun intended) and that the medical industry itself hasn't moved to find better preservatives just to remove all doubt and reduce possible risks, etc. I see... Thank goodness for Phase and the gang!!

You keep defending those toolbags P&T like they are your friends or something, whatever, the video is too vague to be taken into account for anything and is aimed at people who cant understand anything as complex as a basic graph.

And you keep attacking them since you got here like they did some far out Doctor Oz show (Hey, grapes can cure cancer!!!) and their advice was somehow equivalent when all that they did is reiterate/mirror the same damn position/advice professionals in the medical industry have! Only toolbag I see here is you! Their point was rock solid, even with the suspicion that preservatives like thimerosal caused autism in 1 out of 110, the overwhelming benefits of vaccines to society past/present outweigh the small risks! Get over it! And since thimerosal has been in the process of being phased out SINCE 1999, what exactly does the anti-vaccine crowd hope to still accomplish by acting like it's 15 years ago and still believing the debunked autism-link ?

You keep your mouth shut about tap water man. how dare you question the majority of people and the city. don't you ever voice an opinion questioning water safety. mercury, lead, insecticides, chlorine are nutritious. kidding aside, if you feel its unsafe its ok to try and raise awareness to make it safer wouldn't you say. or should you be labeled into some group and called a conspiracy nut.

Blah blah blah, question everything, trust no one, they're lying to you!!!! DON'T YOU BELIEVE 'EM!!!!

Faulty logic? While I agree mistakes can happen, I'm talking about using unsafe ingredients and pushing drugs with little benefits that could have harmful side-effects because they want to make more money. All you have to do is listen to a couple of these drug commercials, I mean they are laughable. When I said pharmaceutical companies care more about making money  than they care about your child's health. I meant like cigarette companies care about making money more than they care about producing healthier cigarettes. -sure its not the best analogy

You're right, that's a terrible analogy; a cigarette company deliberately puts toxic substances in their products to make them more addictive and ensure continued use, even knowing of the eventual lung cancer that the product can cause. The use of thimerosal by the medical industry was to preserve and protect the vaccine and keep it from causing an infection and killing you, etc. The goals were noble, it just wasn't the best substance to use. Now since better alternatives are being phased in, you and the hysteria crowd can stop discouraging people from vaccination and from going as far as denying history as to the overwhelming benefits vaccines have been to industrialized society and keeping fatal diseases under control!!

[Phase]

OK, so he's talking about thimerosal which was used as a vaccine preservative since the 1930s.

1) "Since 1999, the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) asked vaccine makers to remove thiomersal from vaccines as quickly as possible as a purely precautionary measure, and it was rapidly phased out of most U.S. and European vaccines."

2) "Much progress has been made to date in removing or reducing thimerosal in vaccines. New pediatric formulations of hepatitis B vaccines have been licensed by the FDA, Recombivax-HB (Merck, thimerosal free) in August 1999"

3) "The current scientific consensus is that no convincing scientific evidence supports the claims of a thimerosal-autism link" - and the 2011 journal article indicating such a link was later debunked.

So basically, he's gonna keep arguing like it's 1999 (pun intended) and that the medical industry itself hasn't moved to find better preservatives just to remove all doubt and reduce possible risks, etc. I see... Thank goodness for Phase and the gang!!

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations of the seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 2014–2015 Season.) Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.

The single-dose units are made without thimerosal as a preservative because they are intended to be opened and used only once. Additionally, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine), is produced in single-dose units and does not contain thimerosal.

[Necromancer]

I guess you couldn't be bothered to read the rest of that page, eh?  You know, the parts that say thimerosal is NOT a serious hazard.

[NightWolve]

OH MY GAWWWD! YOU'RE RIGHT!!!

OH WAIT, FROM THE SAME LINK!

Is thimerosal being used in other vaccines?

Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children younger than 6 years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts of thimerosal, except for some formulations of influenza vaccine. The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the argument that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. CDC and FDA continually evaluate new scientific information about the safety of vaccines.

Is thimerosal in vaccines safe?

There is a large body of scientific evidence on the safety of thimerosal. Data from several studies show the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines do not cause harm, and are only associated with minor local injection site reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site.

CDC, FDA, and the National Institutes of Health [NIH]) have reviewed the published research on thimerosal and found it to be a safe product to use in vaccines. Three independent organizations (The National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices [ACIP], and the American Academy of Pediatrics [AAP]) also reviewed the published research and found thimerosal to be a safe product to use in vaccines. The medical community supports the use of thimerosal in influenza vaccines to protect against potential contamination of multi-dose vials

And from my previous post:

Much progress has been made to date in removing or reducing thimerosal in vaccines

I guess you couldn't be bothered to read the rest of that page, eh?  You know, the parts that say thimerosal is NOT a serious hazard.

Exactly, selective quoting.

[esteban]

This thread is still depressing.

Medicine and science are good things, people.

There are a LOT of valid critiques of medicine and science, but THE CURRENT VACCINES ARE NOT a problem.

******* Apparently, many motherf*ckers can't read, because the VERY STUDY THAT FOUND THE VACCINE <--> AUTISM LINK was completed discredited. It was a huge news story. BEFORE IT WAS OFFICIALLY DISCREDITED, however, any reasonable person would STILL get their kids vaccinated because the benefits still outweighed the *alleged* risks.

[Phase]

Blah blah blah, question everything, trust no one, they're lying to you!!!! DON'T YOU BELIEVE 'EM!!!!

I can just post the opposite of that. blah blah blah, sit on the couch believing everything on TV and never look into anything more in depth or formulate your own opinions.  Be sure and label people crazy if they oppose mainstream opinions.

You're right, that's a terrible analogy; a cigarette company deliberately puts toxic substances in their products to make them more addictive and ensure continued use, even knowing of the eventual lung cancer that the product can cause.
.............

The analogy is directed toward drug companies in general and not specifically vaccines.
If you look at some of these drugs you could.. lets say get 2 side effects for every prescription drug your taking but don't worry theres a drug for that side effect... I'm jesting here a bit based on those crazy drug commercials. 

I don't think its absurd, look into how scary mercury is to your health.

Ingesting large amounts is dangerous, but scientific evidence says the small amount in vaccines is not.  Nor is the amount found in seafood, dental amalgam, etc. a serious concern.

Maybe some scientific evidence suggests that.

That's exactly what you're saying.  Everyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that there's inherent risk in ANY medical procedure, so what you're doing is using those minor concerns as an excuse to not get vaccines.

I'm pretty sure thats not exactly what I'm saying.

Pull your tinfoil hat down tight.

Only if you keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Phase]

yeah guys selective quoting 

[Phase]

Just because it says mercury is safe I don't have to believe it. What will they say next its good for you?


..oh wait

lol random search
those must be some good studies I should start drinking the stuff now.

[NightWolve]

Blah blah blah, question everything, trust no one, they're lying to you!!!! DON'T YOU BELIEVE 'EM!!!!

I can just post the opposite of that. blah blah blah, sit on the couch believing everything on TV and never look into anything more in depth or formulate your own opinions.  Be sure and label people crazy if they oppose mainstream opinions.

At this point, I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish. They've been phasing thimerosal out since 1999, it's mostly been replaced, but if used, it's reduced in amount, etc. That's being done to remove all doubt even though studies still showed the amounts used didn't cause harm, and were limited to things like redness and swelling at the injection site. That's what I'm seeing here.

So, progress continues, and when science finds an even better preservative with zero mercury compounds that can be used for where they think they still need to use it, great! Is anybody against that ? No! F--king-A, let's move on and stop the hysteria!

[Phase]

Well I still think some of the other ingredients in that article I posted are crazy. But I don't need to argue about it.
I respect you guy's opinions, and we can ultimately agree to disagree.

[toymachine78]

Please lock this....

[roflmao]

This thread is absurd.