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esteban

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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2015, 07:37:58 AM »

Quote from: jelloslug on February 10, 2015, 07:09:39 AM
Victory Run and The Legendary Axe have significantly different boxes than the rest of the orange label titles.

Proof that they were designed first, before the others.

However, it is not proof that they were available at launch, sadly.

Any hiccup in production could have delayed a game.

DAMN.

I still think it is valuable to identify the games that were designed (if not released) in different "waves" ... the design changes might follow the product numbers, for example.

Again, this doesn't guarantee actual release dates, but it is interesting to see what NEC was planning.
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2015, 12:59:29 PM »
I FOUND ANOTHER ONE :)

http://archives.tg-16.com/turbo_play_0007.htm#mock_up_versus_actual_ICFTD
 (I love finding stuff like this...this needs to be linked to the HuCARD mock-ups for Victory Run and Legendary Axe)...



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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2015, 01:55:46 PM »
Regarding your sequencing, Bomberman actually had a logo with bomb on it, and bomberman 93 was just the cover font (though since it does not have the TurboGrafx logo, you could argue that 93 is the full art version.)

And any idea why there is a Black and a Red Champions Forever Boxing?
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2015, 03:16:55 PM »
VG&CE July 1989 lists
"At press time NEC was planning to establish the TurboGrafx-16 with at least 10 titles..."
Keith Courage (identified as pack-in)
Alien Crush
Kato & Ken (not yet named JJ & Jeff - ended up getting a 1990 copyright)
Legendary Axe
Power Golf (had not finalized which golf games, other "choices" never released in US)
World Class Baseball (selected over World Stadium)
R-Type (not confirmed if it would be on a single hucard)
Victory Run
Vigilante


By part numbering:
Here's the game list sorted by part number.
I assume Boxyboy had a part number error?  TGX020031 perhaps?  Any thoughts.
JJ & Jeff, Deep Blue are copyright 1990, so is certainly not launch titles.

Titles in bold should have been around for the Turbo's first Christmas


Boxyboy   TGX010031
Keith Courage in Alpha Zones   TGX020001
Victory Run   TGX020002
Legendary Axe   TGX020003
Alien Crush   TGX020005
World Class Baseball   TGX020007
China Warrior   TGX020008
Deep Blue   TGX020012
Moto Roader   TGX020013
JJ & Jeff   TGX020014
Dragon Spirit   TGX020016
Fantasy Zone   TGX020017
Galaga '90   TGX020018
World Court Tennis   TGX020019
Pac-Land   TGX020021
Takin' It to the Hoop   TGX020026
Cratermaze   TGX020027
King of Casino   TGX020033
Timeball   TGX020034
Chew-Man-Fu   TGX020035
Double Dungeons   TGX020036
Dragon's Curse   TGX020039
Psychosis   TGX020040
Drop-Off   TGX020042
Super Volleyball   TGX020043
Legendary Axe II   TGX020048
Bomberman   TGX020053
Vigilante   TGX030004
Dungeon Explorer   TGX030006
Power Golf   TGX030009
Blazing Lazers   TGX030010
Military Madness   TGX030015
Final Lap Twin   TGX030020
Bonk's Adventure   TGX030028
Neutopia   TGX030029
Cyber Core   TGX030030
Devil's Crush   TGX030038
Tiger Road   TGX030044
Veigues Tactical Gladiator   TGX030045
TV Sports Football   TGX030046
Battle Royale   TGX030049
Ballistix   TGX030059
TV Sports Hockey   TGX030064
Hit The Ice   TGX030095
Chase HQ   TGX030096
R Type   TGX040011
Ordyne   TGX040022
Space Harrier   TGX040025
Bloody Wolf   TGX040037
Splatterhouse   TGX040041
Bravoman   TGX040047
Ninja Spirit   TGX040050
Aero Blasters   TGX040051
Super Star Soldier   TGX040052
Yo Bro   TGX040054
TV Sports Basketball   TGX040055
TaleSpin   TGX040056
Bonk's Revenge   TGX040058
Gunboat   TGX040060
Davis Cup Tennis   TGX040061
Impossamole   TGX040062
Silent Debuggers   TGX040063
Darkwing Duck   TGX040066
Falcon   TGX040067
Andre Panza Kick Boxing   TGX040068
Night Creatures   TGX040069
Order of the Griffon   TGX040072
Ghost Manor   TGX040076
Champions Forever Boxing   TGX040077
Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu   TGX040079
New Adventure Island   TGX040080
Dead Moon   TGX040081
Soldier Blade   TGX040082
Legend of Hero Tonma   TGX040083
Air Zonk   TGX040084
Samurai Ghost   TGX040085
Magical Chase   TGX040086
Shockman   TGX040087
Somer Assault   TGX040089
Time Cruise   TGX040090
World Sports Competition   TGX040092
Bomberman '93   TGX040093
Raiden   TGX060075
Neutopia 2   TGX060078
Bonk 3: Bonk's Big Adventure   TGX080097

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Jack Nicklaus Turbo Golf Chip   ATGX02JTT
Turrican   ATGX04TUT
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Tricky Kick   ITGX10004
Sinistron   ITGX10007
Side Arms   RTGX10001
Parasol Stars   TWG030701
Cadash   TWG040501
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2015, 05:00:27 AM »
Just looking at the list - is it possible the fourth character is the rom size on the first party titles?
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2015, 06:34:35 AM »
Quote from: Lost Monkey on March 08, 2015, 05:00:27 AM
Just looking at the list - is it possible the fourth character is the rom size on the first party titles?

Ahhhhh, I like this!

There is a list at mindrec.com...the old TurboList files...where all the HuCARD's are listed with ROM size...

Just glancing at the list, which confirms your suggestion:
R-TYPE = 4
Raiden = 6

Hahhhahhaha. Hardly conclusive, but I think you are on to something...

:)

FURTHER:

Was Neutopia 2 really 6 Mb?
And I don't think Bonk 3 HuCARD was 8Mb...

But maybe TTi just started getting sloppy...

NECRO, time to compare the lists!
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2015, 07:33:06 AM »
The roms of Neutopia II, Raiden and Bonk III are all 8Mb.

I checked a few of the "3"'s on the list and they were all 384K (3Mb).

Whether there is dummy data in there (Raiden, Neutopia 2), I don't know...
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2015, 08:14:17 AM »
Follow-up: The Raiden box states 6Mb as a feature.
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2015, 08:20:05 AM »
Quote from: Lost Monkey on March 08, 2015, 07:33:06 AM
The roms of Neutopia II, Raiden and Bonk III are all 8Mb.

I checked a few of the "3"'s on the list and they were all 384K (3Mb).

Whether there is dummy data in there (Raiden, Neutopia 2), I don't know...

Yeah, the ROM dumps are not necessarily "honest" representations of the actual ROM in the HuCARD's (for various reasons the technical gurus can explain).

IIRC, the list at TurboList was not based on ROM dump data, but PCE CD-ROM catalogs/Japanese PCE magazines.
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2015, 12:19:46 PM »
Here is one more sort by the last 2 digits.  If NEC used those two consecutively, then it might have been commitment order.  The numbers are not a clean transfer to the TTI releases,  notice that titles like Darkwing and Falcon have earlier numbers than Raiden and Night Creatures

Keith Courage in Alpha Zones   TGX020001 (NEC)
Victory Run   TGX020002 (NEC)
Legendary Axe   TGX020003 (NEC)
Vigilante   TGX030004 (NEC)
Alien Crush   TGX020005 (NEC)
Dungeon Explorer   TGX030006 (NEC)
World Class Baseball   TGX020007 (NEC)
China Warrior   TGX020008 (NEC)
Power Golf   TGX030009 (NEC)
Blazing Lazers   TGX030010 (NEC)
R Type   TGX040011 (NEC)
Deep Blue   TGX020012 (NEC)
Moto Roader   TGX020013 (NEC)
JJ & Jeff   TGX020014 (NEC)
Military Madness   TGX030015 (NEC)
Dragon Spirit   TGX020016 (NEC)
Fantasy Zone   TGX020017 (NEC)
Galaga '90   TGX020018 (NEC)
World Court Tennis   TGX020019 (NEC)
Final Lap Twin   TGX030020 (NEC)
Pac-Land   TGX020021 (NEC)
Ordyne   TGX040022 (NEC)
Space Harrier   TGX040025 (NEC)
Takin' It to the Hoop   TGX020026 (NEC)
Cratermaze   TGX020027 (NEC)
Bonk's Adventure   TGX030028 (NEC)
Neutopia   TGX030029 (NEC)
Cyber Core   TGX030030 (NEC)
Boxyboy   TGX010031 (NEC)
King of Casino   TGX020033 (NEC)
Timeball   TGX020034 (NEC)
Chew-Man-Fu   TGX020035 (NEC)
Double Dungeons   TGX020036 (NEC)
Bloody Wolf   TGX040037 (NEC)
Devil's Crush   TGX030038 (NEC)
Dragon's Curse   TGX020039 (NEC)
Psychosis   TGX020040 (NEC)
Splatterhouse   TGX040041 (NEC)
Drop-Off   TGX020042 (NEC)
Super Volleyball   TGX020043 (NEC)
Tiger Road   TGX030044 (NEC)
Veigues Tactical Gladiator   TGX030045 (NEC)
TV Sports Football   TGX030046 (NEC)
Bravoman   TGX040047 (NEC)
Legendary Axe II   TGX020048 (NEC)
Battle Royale   TGX030049 (NEC)
Ninja Spirit   TGX040050 (NEC)
Aero Blasters   TGX040051 (NEC)
Super Star Soldier   TGX040052 (NEC)
Bomberman   TGX020053 (NEC)
Yo Bro   TGX040054 (NEC)
TV Sports Basketball   TGX040055 (NEC)
TaleSpin   TGX040056 (NEC)
Bonk's Revenge   TGX040058 (NEC)
Ballistix   TGX030059 (NEC)
Gunboat   TGX040060 (NEC)
Davis Cup Tennis   TGX040061 (NEC)
Impossamole   TGX040062 (NEC)
Silent Debuggers   TGX040063 (NEC)
TV Sports Hockey   TGX030064 (NEC)
Darkwing Duck   TGX040066 (TTI)
Falcon   TGX040067  (TTI)
Andre Panza Kick Boxing   TGX040068 (NEC)
Night Creatures   TGX040069 (NEC)
Order of the Griffon   TGX040072  (TTI)
Raiden   TGX060075 (NEC)
Ghost Manor   TGX040076 (TTI)
Champions Forever Boxing   TGX040077 (NEC)
Neutopia 2   TGX060078 (TTI)
Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu   TGX040079 (TTI)
New Adventure Island   TGX040080
Dead Moon   TGX040081 (TTI)
Soldier Blade   TGX040082 (TTI)
Legend of Hero Tonma   TGX040083 (TTI)
Air Zonk   TGX040084 (TTI)
Samurai Ghost   TGX040085 (TTI)
Magical Chase   TGX040086 (TTI)
Shockman   TGX040087 (TTI)
Somer Assault   TGX040089 (TTI)
Time Cruise   TGX040090 (TTI)
World Sports Competition   TGX040092 (TTI)
Bomberman '93   TGX040093 (TTI)
Hit The Ice   TGX030095 (TTI)
Chase HQ   TGX030096 (TTI)
Bonk 3: Bonk's Big Adventure   TGX080097 (TTI)
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2015, 06:01:15 AM »
The It Came From the Desert mock up looks bad.  If you're gonna put the text in an arc like that, use the center of the disc.

Quote from: esteban on March 08, 2015, 06:34:35 AM
NECRO, time to compare the lists!

Using the rom sizes from PCECP (presumably the same as the turbolist number), it looks like the fourth digit is indeed the rom size.  There's only two outliers, which I'd guess are just database typos:

Boxyboy   TGX010031   1mb
Keith Courage   TGX020001   2mb
Victory Run   TGX020002   2mb
Legendary Axe   TGX020003   2mb
Alien Crush   TGX020005   2mb
World Class Baseball   TGX020007   2mb
China Warrior   TGX020008   2mb
Deep Blue   TGX020012   2mb
Moto Roader   TGX020013   2mb
JJ & Jeff   TGX020014   2mb
Dragon Spirit   TGX020016   2mb
Fantasy Zone   TGX020017   2mb
Galaga '90   TGX020018   2mb
World Court Tennis   TGX020019   2mb
Pac-Land   TGX020021   2mb
Takin' It to the Hoop   TGX020026   2mb
Cratermaze   TGX020027   2mb
King of Casino   TGX020033   2mb
Timeball   TGX020034   1mb   <---
Chew-Man-Fu   TGX020035   2mb
Double Dungeons   TGX020036   2mb
Dragon's Curse   TGX020039   2mb
Psychosis   TGX020040   2mb
Drop-Off   TGX020042   2mb
Super Volleyball   TGX020043   2mb
Legendary Axe II   TGX020048   2mb
Bomberman   TGX020053   2mb
Vigilante   TGX030004   3mb
Dungeon Explorer   TGX030006   3mb
Power Golf   TGX030009   3mb
Blazing Lazers   TGX030010   3mb
Military Madness   TGX030015   3mb
Final Lap Twin   TGX030020   3mb
Bonk's Adventure   TGX030028   3mb
Neutopia   TGX030029   3mb
Cyber Core   TGX030030   3mb
Devil's Crush   TGX030038   3mb
Tiger Road   TGX030044   3mb
Veigues Tactical Gladiator   TGX030045   3mb
TV Sports Football   TGX030046   3mb
Battle Royale   TGX030049   3mb
Ballistix   TGX030059   2mb   <---
TV Sports Hockey   TGX030064   3mb
Hit The Ice   TGX030095   3mb
Chase HQ   TGX030096   3mb
R Type   TGX040011   4mb
Ordyne   TGX040022   4mb
Space Harrier   TGX040025   4mb
Bloody Wolf   TGX040037   4mb
Splatterhouse   TGX040041   4mb
Bravoman   TGX040047   4mb
Ninja Spirit   TGX040050   4mb
Aero Blasters   TGX040051   4mb
Super Star Soldier   TGX040052   4mb
Yo Bro   TGX040054   4mb
TV Sports Basketball   TGX040055   4mb
TaleSpin   TGX040056   4mb
Bonk's Revenge   TGX040058   4mb
Gunboat   TGX040060   4mb
Davis Cup Tennis   TGX040061   4mb
Impossamole   TGX040062   4mb
Silent Debuggers   TGX040063   4mb
Darkwing Duck   TGX040066   4mb
Falcon   TGX040067   4mb
Andre Panza Kick Boxing   TGX040068   4mb
Night Creatures   TGX040069   4mb
Order of the Griffon   TGX040072   4mb
Ghost Manor   TGX040076   4mb
Champions Forever Boxing   TGX040077   4mb
Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu   TGX040079   4mb
New Adventure Island   TGX040080   4mb
Dead Moon   TGX040081   4mb
Soldier Blade   TGX040082   4mb
Legend of Hero Tonma   TGX040083   4mb
Air Zonk   TGX040084   4mb
Samurai Ghost   TGX040085   4mb
Magical Chase   TGX040086   4mb
Shockman   TGX040087   4mb
Somer Assault   TGX040089   4mb
Time Cruise   TGX040090   4mb
World Sports Competition   TGX040092   4mb
Bomberman '93   TGX040093   4mb   <--- ain't it nice how its catalog number matches?
Raiden   TGX060075   6mb
Neutopia 2   TGX060078   6mb
Bonk 3: Bonk's Big Adventure   TGX080097   8mb

For the third party games, it seems some might follow a similar scheme:

Klax   TTGX20001   2mb
Jack Nicklaus Turbo Golf Chip   ATGX02JTT   2mb
Parasol Stars   TWG030701   3mb
Cadash   TWG040501   4mb

.... and some not so much:

Turrican   ATGX04TUT   2mb
Sonic Spike Volleyball   ITGX10001   2mb
Tricky Kick   ITGX10004   2mb
Sinistron   ITGX10007   4mb
Side Arms   RTGX10001   2mb
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2015, 08:37:18 AM »
Now that's what I call a mega list!
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Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2015, 02:06:54 PM »
TIMEBALL
BALLISTIX

The metallic balls must have generated electromagnetic disturbances that interfered with the numbering scheme.


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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2015, 03:06:51 PM »
Quote from: Gentlegamer on March 09, 2015, 08:37:18 AM
Now that's what I call a mega list!
You mean a Turbo List.... wait, that one was already taken....
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Re: Pre-launch TG-16 AD: cover art and HuCARD different than final retail version
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2015, 04:20:23 PM »
Quote from: Necromancer on March 09, 2015, 06:01:15 AM
The It Came From the Desert mock up looks bad.  If you're gonna put the text in an arc like that, use the center of the disc.

Maybe it was a mock-up of a planned later mock-up. A mock mock.

Still, better looking than the little-known pirate version It Came from Dessert.
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