Author Topic: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!  (Read 36903 times)

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #120 on: February 24, 2015, 03:58:17 PM »
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But because you'll know that you've compromised yourself for a few bucks and got in bed with known criminal that you hate

I've heard that Tobias is lousy in bed.  According to internet legend, he gouges people with high-priced bootlegs to pay for his "supplements".
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2015, 02:06:03 AM »
Haven't even replied back - needed a break from the drama anyway. :/ I'm not sure what to do.

I'd tell him to pound salt.  Whatever meager sloppy seconds he's offering isn't worth it, and he could use your donate button if he really wanted to show appreciation for the patches anyway.  Even if he did offer the lion's share of the profits, that'd just make you the gouger by proxy, and who'd want that?
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #122 on: February 25, 2015, 02:49:46 AM »
I agree with others about turning down the payment. 

Maybe asking him to just put a notice about origin of the translation patch in/on case?  Maybe something as small as a sticker that says "Based on Xak III Fan Translation by NightWolve" would not be that hard to do I would think. 
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #123 on: February 25, 2015, 04:11:28 AM »
You guys are aware that he is a member here  :?: and it's likely that he also reads this thread. So a open discussion how NightWolve should handle this situation is in my opinion not the smartest move - just sayin'  :wink:.

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #124 on: February 25, 2015, 04:39:43 AM »
What difference does it make that Tobias is a member?  I don't have a problem telling him to his face (so to speak) that his prices generally suck, that he's a liar, and that stealing work from active peeps is absolute shit.
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #125 on: February 25, 2015, 05:30:17 AM »
That was not what I meant.
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #126 on: February 25, 2015, 06:07:50 AM »
f*ck him. He can rot. Don't care what he knows or doesn't know. I doubt he'd let a little thing like this forum stand in the way of his funding the purchase of multiple rgb encoders so he can upscale all his gay porn anyway. Whats the worst he can do to us? Nothing. Nothing at all.

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #127 on: February 25, 2015, 06:47:23 AM »
sorry im late to the party

I think its better to post something like this up so the community can be aware of tobias' s shady actions thats hes been doing. sarumaru told me about this and I thought that was f*cked up of him to do what he did. profiting off someone eles work to make a quick buck. what a shady ass bitch!

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #128 on: February 25, 2015, 07:56:13 AM »
The more I think on this I agree with the points that Professor brought up as well. After you mentioned that he is charging so much money for producing these, it became pretty apparent that he is not interested in selling these at slightly over cost giving you a fair deal. But let's say that even if he was being fair to you in your cut of each print/sale, you risk your name as being an accomplice should anything go down about his operation being illegal to the IP holders. There's just no good way to go about this unless say the print/cd pressing house you decided to do business with was only selling fan-developed manuals and fan-developed pressed discs that could still be written to in a CD-Rom burning software program, as then you would not be selling illegal bootlegs of software.

In any case I retract any statements that I may have made previously about it being something to even consider, especially in light of what he has been known to be doing in the past as far as illegal operations go and other games that he is selling pressed discs of, and the sheer amount of money that he is charging for some of these games. Also as one poster pointed out, how come there is a such a vast price difference between certain games if the process for printing and pressing the disc is the same?

-Thomas
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #129 on: February 25, 2015, 04:07:08 PM »
Make up your own mind, Nightwolve. Don't let these guys make up your mind for you. Keep in mind what kind of community this is. If you want to make a little bit of money then that's 100% up to you. Granted it probably won't be a lot of money. And you're under no obligation to let anyone know what decision you make. To me a patch like an English translation is something that should be bought for a flat fee. That is unless that translation was made with the purpose of selling, then I'd recommend a % of each sale. I've noticed that you tend to have lots of problems with people not paying you or giving you your due. Are you burning any bridges that we're not aware of and that makes people distance themselves from you? I don't mean to imply anything, but it often seems like you're extremely upset at the world. Personally I think it'd be great if you guys could work something out as I'd love to see a pressed Ys 4 disc. Tobias does his repros pretty well and I wouldn't want to see a gimpy-looking repro in a card-stock sleeve with no manual. But if you can do a good job yourself then that'd be great as well. Not sure how much luck you'd have trying to press copyrighted CDs in the US, though.

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2015, 02:29:33 AM »
Don't listen to Joe. He could never beat Samurai Shodown II. He once raged about it being too hard on this very forum. You can never take seriously the word of a man who was never manly enough to beat SS II. Here remains some proof of Joe not being of sound mind. Behold this sad wretch of a man and his pitiful girly complaints about the god of fighting games.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/showpost.php?s=7fd7889f3a591fae6e690ddf840d6d0e&p=426456&postcount=1269

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2015, 02:32:03 AM »

You can never take seriously the word of a man who was never manly enough to beat SS II.

Or, uhuh, Sonic the Hedgehog?
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2015, 05:16:17 AM »
Don't listen to Joe. He could never beat Samurai Shodown II. He once raged about it being too hard on this very forum. You can never take seriously the word of a man who was never manly enough to beat SS II. Here remains some proof of Joe not being of sound mind. Behold this sad wretch of a man and his pitiful girly complaints about the god of fighting games.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/showpost.php?s=7fd7889f3a591fae6e690ddf840d6d0e&p=426456&postcount=1269


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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #133 on: February 26, 2015, 07:47:35 AM »
That brings up an interesting point. Since we know this guy is really just a crook I never really considered the economic breakdown of the price structure.

If his version of Startling Odessey II is worth $60...and the original game is only worth $10, and his bare-bones version is even cheaper than that, then that means the translation and whatever gilded bullshit adds at least $50 per copy to the game. The translators made this whole project possible, unfortunately.

Tobias would probably love to pay somebody somewhere something because as it is his costs are extremely small and margins super huge. He's transparently corrupt to anyone who isn't an idiot. He would love to "cover costs" so he could have some explanation for this carpet bagging bullshit price tag.

I really think it's a very very bad idea to take any money from this jerk. Furthermore, it's evidently time to do what anime fansubbers started doing in the early 90s when they realized con slugs were selling 10th gen copies of their efforts for $20 per tape: hardcode a message in the intro or title screen that says "This translation was a non-profit effort by fans. If you payed anything for it you were ripped off. To learn more email gundambob@compuserve.com". Something like that. Most of the time the pirates are way too stupid and helpless to remove the message. If you thread it deeply enough into the game there is no way he'll be able to figure the shit out.

The more I think on this I agree with the points that Professor brought up as well. After you mentioned that he is charging so much money for producing these, it became pretty apparent that he is not interested in selling these at slightly over cost giving you a fair deal. But let's say that even if he was being fair to you in your cut of each print/sale, you risk your name as being an accomplice should anything go down about his operation being illegal to the IP holders. There's just no good way to go about this unless say the print/cd pressing house you decided to do business with was only selling fan-developed manuals and fan-developed pressed discs that could still be written to in a CD-Rom burning software program, as then you would not be selling illegal bootlegs of software.

In any case I retract any statements that I may have made previously about it being something to even consider, especially in light of what he has been known to be doing in the past as far as illegal operations go and other games that he is selling pressed discs of, and the sheer amount of money that he is charging for some of these games. Also as one poster pointed out, how come there is a such a vast price difference between certain games if the process for printing and pressing the disc is the same?

-Thomas

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #134 on: February 26, 2015, 08:14:46 AM »
The thing is that the repro scene is FULL of this shit. This isn't the first time someone's translation was taken and sold without consent and you can damn well bet it won't be the last. Any of you who have ever been to any kind of game convention knows this. I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying that this guy isn't the only problem here.