Author Topic: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!  (Read 37000 times)

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Lightscribe + decent printer > Tobias.

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Oh come on.... What did you really hope to achieve with this post?

What do you hope to achieve with your perpetual troll presence here ? You let me name your description ("The Defiant") and your choice of avatar is also in response to my situation with Xseed Games which shares similar behavior actually with Tobias. And you want what now, a serious debate ? Is that even a serious question of yours ? Weird that you quoted my post from the other thread, pasted it here and now demand an answer to one particular sarcastic post in a sea of them that occur here on a regular damn basis...

Your creepy lurking ass isn't worth the time of day for anything serious so my response to you is the Necro approved one of go f--k yourself. There's your answer. Can't figure out what I "hoped to achieve" with that or any other post of mine, I guess I'll just have to leave you wondering, won't I ??

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Arrived, by pceworks.


Congrats on your purchase from a known lying scam artist who perpetrated fraud against the public by claiming his Sapphire bootlegs were authentic when he first starting doing this, even going as far as fabricating a document by Hudson Soft to back his claims up, and who slapped my Xak III fan translation on to these CDs without permission, not because he feared I would say no, but because of greed and the desire to pocket 100% of whatever net profit he would make minus cost of production per CD, etc. Also add Tru/John and his SO II translation who also was not contacted (I have yet to report this to Tru, but I will time permitting), etc. So yes, congrats! Supporting scam artists is brag worthy!


Oh come on.... What did you really hope to achieve with this post?





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Oh come on.... What did you really hope to achieve with this post?

What do you hope to achieve with your perpetual troll presence here ? You let me name your description ("The Defiant") and your choice of avatar is also in response to my situation with Xseed Games which shares similar behavior actually with Tobias. And you want what now, a serious debate ? Is that even a serious question of yours ? Weird that you quoted my post from the other thread, pasted it here and now demand an answer to one particular sarcastic post in a sea of them that occur here on a regular damn basis...

Your creepy lurking ass isn't worth the time of day for anything serious so my response to you is the Necro approved one of go f--k yourself. There's your answer. Can't figure out what I "hoped to achieve" with that or any other post of mine, I guess I'll just have to leave you wondering, won't I ??

Creep is my name for you. Do we really need to bring that thread back?

Also, I brought it here, as it is more relevant.

I ask again, what did you hope to achieve?
Hey, you.

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Quote from: DarkKobold
Oh come on.... What did you really hope to achieve with this post?

What do you hope to achieve with your perpetual troll presence here ? You let me name your description ("The Defiant") and your choice of avatar is also in response to my situation with Xseed Games which shares similar behavior actually with Tobias. And you want what now, a serious debate ? Is that even a serious question of yours ? Weird that you quoted my post from the other thread, pasted it here and now demand an answer to one particular sarcastic post in a sea of them that occur here on a regular damn basis...

Your creepy lurking ass isn't worth the time of day for anything serious so my response to you is the Necro approved one of go f--k yourself. There's your answer. Can't figure out what I "hoped to achieve" with that or any other post of mine, I guess I'll just have to leave you wondering, won't I ??

Creep is my name for you. Do we really need to bring that thread back?

Also, I brought it here, as it is more relevant.

I ask again, what did you hope to achieve?

A better question is, what do you hope to achieve? Outside of Nintega, I cant think of many others being so unwanted on this forum as much as you are.

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I ask again, what did you hope to achieve?

If you really have to ask what he hoped to achieve, you might be retarded.

It's obvious the point was to drive the point into the person that they inadvertently supported a f*ckup. 

They will likely feel bad about this, and seeing their purchase will now be a constant reminder to be more informed about purchasing decisions like this in the future.


You're the worst defiant ever.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Also, I brought it here, as it is more relevant.

I ask again, what did you hope to achieve?

N.W. was obviously using sarcasm to admonish kisaku for buying from Tobias.

You now have your answer.  Move on or risk banishment.
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Zeta: Some of us give money to Tobias because no one else is stepping up and filling the void.  You guys constantly talk about how cheap and easy it is to get pressed CDs made.  So why does it take a "sleaze" like him to get it done?

I TOTALLY get what you're saying, although I don't think that the fact that I've bought stuff from Tobias and am not apologizing for it now makes me less of an adult.  My thing is that at least he just saw the desire and demand for something and just f*cking did it.  Here, we have some long ass thread about "hey maybe we should press some games" and nothing to show for it.  But if anyone followed through with it, then you'd be stealing business from Tobias.  Same thing goes for the translations.  People want to buy copies of the translations, but guys like SamIAm don't want to go down that road.  I already made what I thought was a good suggestion for handling that, but it would take organization and the fronting of money, and it would never happen.  So in the absence of an option that pays the proper respect to the guys who made the translation, people will buy what's available.*

* Just on a personal note I will go on record as saying that I will NEVER buy one of these translations from Tobias or anyone else unless they are sanctioned by the people who did the translation.
Good points.

First order of business: ruin Tobias.

Next on agenda: find a translator, hacker, or forum member willing to grow a pair and meet demand by pressing some nice facsimiles without gouging anyone. (This will never happen.)

Solution: chill out. Let the urge for shiny collectable things die... along with hopes for happiness, true love, and escaping poverty. Never be complete. Make spine labels with Sharpie. Burn shitty ink-jet printables. Play patched games in modified XBOX to preserve Duo laser.

Happy ending: Aaron gets rid of Habboland theme. DarkKobold crawls in hole and dies. Pizza party! Fap fest!
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b-but I like Habboland

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As for ol' Sapphire, the only people that heard his story and believed it were fooling themselves.  None of Tobias's story ever made a lick of sense.
Fudoh's yarn reads like a house of lies today, but it was somewhat believable in 2005. No one had ever seen a posthumously-pirated PCE game before. Reproductions were in their infancy even on popular consoles. Mindrec had literally scoured the Earth (albeit not very thoroughly) and couldn't find anyone willing to replicate a PCE game. The official word from the tech people at the time (TZD, MindRec, etc.) was that the disc format was extinct. Cheap printers weren't as good, PCEFX didn't have a repair forum, Sparky wasn't making fancy labels, D-Lite was ruining the right headphone channel in brand-new TE's with his mono sound fix, and no one knew how to repair a Duo yet.

Admittedly, I WANTED to believe I was buying a real Sapphire, but whatever. The scene was ignorant about a lot of things back then.
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As soon as it was known that it was made by care4data in europe, it was OBVIOUS that it wasn't made by Hudson.
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Play patched games in modified XBOX to preserve Duo laser.


Eff that! The Xbox laser is worse than the Duo. Mine has a very difficult time reading pressed games. It reads DVD-Rs much easier. And you can't just replace the drive with another. Each drive is married to the console. That sucks. f*ckin' Xbox, man.

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As soon as it was known that it was made by care4data in europe, it was OBVIOUS that it wasn't made by Hudson.

To be honest half the people I knew who purchased a Fudoh copy had no idea it was pressed by Care4Data. That knowledge wasn't made available until people actually got their copies in hand, opened them, and started posting about it. And there were plenty of buyers out there who did not frequent this forum, who had no idea to look at the company stamp on the disc.

And as for Hudson themselves, getting them to confirm or deny production of the things was a mess. Their email responses were mostly about feigning ignorance of the situation. In retrospect I suspect they had probably already been annoyed by used game shops in Japan about the very same thing, since these were popping up over there too. My personal stance on the issue back then was to give Fudoh benefit of doubt, concerning how he was saying he originally obtained them, and to remain neutral on the disc legitimacy until Hudson would confirm otherwise.

Fudoh went out of his way to make these look legit, even faking boxes from Hudson to hold the games in to make it look like he obtained a lot of new old stock. Then you had him posting that supposed letter from Hudson. Basically all his proof they may be legit was not just to boost sales, which it did do, but to also take attention off of him as the potential bootlegger. I think at some point he just decided he didn't care anymore if people knew it was him or not when he saw the chance to make more money though. Basically around the time he started bootlegging Rockman and Space Fantasy Zone.

Its kinda funny, my view of things way back then. Back then I used to not mind buying boots, if I knew what they were and they looked interesting. I used to grab those Famicom multi carts when I'd see them cheap, and I'd nab any funny looking pressed 3DO boots I'd come across that were cheap too. I'd go out of my way to buy the stuff, not really to save money, but just because the stuff was kind of a novelty to me. Seeing the harm Fudoh did though with the Sapphire mess, not just to this community, but normal pce collectors and fans elsewhere in the world, used game shops etc., it just really changed how I felt about this stuff.

The fact is Fudoh had no love for the PCE/TG ever at any given point. He didn't care about its fans, its forum driven communities, or the dealers and import shops still taking the time and giving the shelf space to make sure this stuff could still be bought and sold 10 years later. He had no concern about how his actions would impact any of it. His only concern was if something was affecting his cash flow. When it was he would take action to keep the cash coming in, like he did with faking the Sapphire evidence.

If he really was just doing it for the community, he would never had lied about the Sapphire mess to begin with. He would have come clean and went out of his way to make sure people knew they were repros, and sold them cheaper. As it stands now, if he cared about the community and just wanted to spread the PCE love, he would be selling ALL his current warez at cost, at the same low price, not at the inflated 1990s new retail prices he is asking for now.

Lets be clear on this. Fudoh doesn't care about you playing and owning a pressed disc, and preserving said games legacy in any sort of way. If he thought he could get away with selling cd-rs of the stuff at the same stupid inflated price, he would do that instead to save a few pennies. But he knows people want pressed disc. He is using that as an angle to get his current warez sold at said very unreasonably high prices.

The only reason he is willing to take a loss on the Xak and Startling Odyssey II disc is because he got busted by the translators and he wants to calm the situation. He is making a lot of money off of everything else, so this is chump change for him, plus he will still have suckers buying the packaged copies for the inflated mark ups. In the end he has no real intention to make legitimate amends for what he has done to the PCE community prior, or to do it any real favors or selfless acts of generosity. Everything he does has a motive or angle and it all revolves around $$$.

While I'm not the greatest supporter of the idea, what has been mentioned prior of just pressing the stuff here and giving them out at cost behind the scenes to forum members here specifically would be a worlds better alternative then to continue to give this a$$hole money. At least then it would be you guys doing it for yourself, for your own community.

No money will be made, and at that point the attention that would be generated would be minimal so you wouldn't have to sweat some company sending cease and desist notices. No one take credit for it. Attach no names to the shipping address. In fact, when you mail them out, just mail them out with a fake mailing address or something for the sender.

Consider it a community action. The motive would be out of love of said games and this community, not for lining said pockets with cash. You keep it low key, not for profit, and not on ebay or in the sales threads, and don't do it with crap like Dracula X, which too common a title.  Handle it all behind the scenes, via pm and email. And don't let members with below 500 post jump in trying to buy it all up.

Outside of that, just buy the f*cking PCE versions of said games or save up and buy legit copies, or play burns. As is, anyone who wanted something like Godzilla or Dungeon Explorer II could have gotten Japanese copies for decent prices easily.

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While I'm not the greatest supporter of the idea, what has been mentioned prior of just pressing the stuff here and giving them out at cost behind the scenes to forum members here specifically would be a worlds better alternative then to continue to give this a$$hole money. At least then it would be you guys doing it for yourself, for your own community.

No money will be made, and at that point the attention that would be generated would be minimal so you wouldn't have to sweat some company sending cease and desist notices. No one take credit for it. Attach no names to the shipping address. In fact, when you mail them out, just mail them out with a fake mailing address or something for the sender.

Consider it a community action. The motive would be out of love of said games and this community, not for lining said pockets with cash. You keep it low key, not for profit, and not on ebay or in the sales threads, and don't do it with crap like Dracula X, which too common a title.  Handle it all behind the scenes, via pm and email. And don't let members with below 500 post jump in trying to buy it all up.
:lol:  You have read my mind sir.