Author Topic: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!  (Read 37022 times)

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To be honest half the people I knew who purchased a Fudoh copy had no idea it was pressed by Care4Data. That knowledge wasn't made available until people actually got their copies in hand, opened them, and started posting about it.

I should've said that I meant that in the context of the discussion HERE.  People were arguing that they were real even after it was known where they were made and Tobias had posted his illogical stories about them being reprints done by Hudson in '99 (more than three years after Hudson had made anything for PCE or even PC-FX), reprints that were supposedly 'not good enough' yet they sold them anyway.  Just the fact that he was selling them for pennies on the dollar should've made it pretty clear that they were boots, really.
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To be honest half the people I knew who purchased a Fudoh copy had no idea it was pressed by Care4Data. That knowledge wasn't made available until people actually got their copies in hand, opened them, and started posting about it.

I should've said that I meant that in the context of the discussion HERE.  People were arguing that they were real even after it was known where they were made and Tobias had posted his illogical stories about them being reprints done by Hudson in '99 (more than three years after Hudson had made anything for PCE or even PC-FX), reprints that were supposedly 'not good enough' yet they sold them anyway.  Just the fact that he was selling them for pennies on the dollar should've made it pretty clear that they were boots, really.


I wouldn't really say pennies on the dollar. I think what I paid for mine was around $77 or so.
But yeah when Tobias came here posting his proof I did kinda just want to give him the benefit of doubt, as least concerning his evidence. For me back then it wasn't cool coming out with guns blazing flat out accusing someone of being a bootlegger. Accusing someone of illegal bootlegging back then would have carried a worse stigma then it does now in gaming forums. That and back then companies were more sue happy then they are now. Since some of the copies had popped up in Japanese game shops that gave him something to prop his story up on too.

I did my best to try to get Care4Data and Hudson to confirm if the disc were legit or fake. I just couldn't get any solid proof one way or the next. Neither wanted to confirm, or deny the such via email, and I'm the type that really does want the most solid proof possible, which for me would have been a confirmation from Hudson one way or the other. Until then, my stance was more neutral, with some devil's advocate tossed in for good measure, not accusing them of being 100 percent legit, or flat out fake. Personally, in my gut, I leaned on them being fake/repro, and when I got rid of mine I listed it as being such.

That whole Tobias ordeal though kind of busted my sense of trust when it came to sellers on here, and partly why I started jumping down sellers throats so much when shenanigans were being pulled by them. Sadly sometimes you just simply cant afford to give anyone the benefit of doubt. In the past when its been done it ended up with not just Tobias and his Sapphire boots, but also TZD not honoring orders before selling out to Red Frog, Dean not finishing mod work after a years worth of time has gone by, the Risingstuff cunts etc. The shit just seems to exacerbate when left to sort itself out on this forum because people are afraid to ruffle someone's feathers.

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He is giving the games away for free and including free shipping, so everyone could just order that and he will make alot less off this run.

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Or everyone could snub his useless effort at "good will".  I'm too cool to take Tobias's ratty boots, even for free.
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Or everyone could snub his useless effort at "good will".  I'm too cool to take Tobias's ratty boots, even for free.

That's how I feel about it too. While he offering it for free, if it isn't something that Nightwolve was a part of, then it doesn't belong in the Xak collection because to me, that's a fake unauthorized bootleg, no matter how good the quality may actually seem on the surface. There is an actual Xak series bootleg that I would love to have in my collection, but the difference is, it was a big-boxed MSX style bootleg of Xak I sold at a few dutch MSX fairs by the actual romhackers and translators that worked on it to bring it to the fans. Now something like that... that is treasure worth having, not this stuff that Tobias is pushing.

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I saw those on ebay as well couldn't believe it.  Sad thing is, I know it will be bought =.=

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First order of business: ruin Tobias.


I cannot believe that I just saw these on eBay ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Memories-Turbo-Duo-Box-GodzillaDungeon-Explorer-IIBonk3DynasticHero-/331506417015

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Memories-Best-of-Japan-Renny-Blaster-Fausse-wbr-te-Amour-Sylphia-wbr-Kaze-Kiri-/331506415382

How on earth does he get away with this?????????


Yeah I saw those too. He had 3 auctions going. I imagine he is doing this via a friend/proxy seller. Thats what he used to do before with Sapphire and SFZ on jacked up ebay listings.

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First order of business: ruin Tobias.


I cannot believe that I just saw these on eBay ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Memories-Turbo-Duo-Box-GodzillaDungeon-Explorer-IIBonk3DynasticHero-/331506417015

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Memories-Best-of-Japan-Renny-Blaster-Fausse-wbr-te-Amour-Sylphia-wbr-Kaze-Kiri-/331506415382

How on earth does he get away with this?????????


Yeah I saw those too. He had 3 auctions going. I imagine he is doing this via a friend/proxy seller. Thats what he used to do before with Sapphire and SFZ on jacked up ebay listings.


Not the only place they're showing up, too. And check out that price tag.

http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d165026937

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Those auctions aren't necessarily by Tobias.  There's plenty of opportunist d-bags that'll buy his shit for flipping - buy three and sell two to get their own for 'free'.
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...and please don't just look at those auctions and whine about them... report them.

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Report all counterfeit items on ebay... but they rarely do anything about it.

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Those auctions aren't necessarily by Tobias.  There's plenty of opportunist d-bags that'll buy his shit for flipping - buy three and sell two to get their own for 'free'.

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw them.  Not saying that it couldn't be him selling his own stuff, but it makes a lot more sense that it's a flipper. 

The only thing I could see him doing is putting those up on eBay to give people the impression that they are selling for above "retail" (lol) on the secondary market, thus driving more people to buy them from him thinking that they are an "investment".  Like if people see that auction and then Google the product to see what it's all about, then go to his website and see how much cheaper they are there, they might be more inclined to jump on them, thinking that they are getting a great deal.

Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

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The eBay seller with multiple copies of Tobias' newer products for sale is located in Germany. Just like the seller who had an endless supply of Sapphires several years ago.

BIN price on the box sets is $350.
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Well 2 of the three current auctions have been removed...  Didn't see the third earlier... just reported it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Limited-XSC-Bundle-Startling-Odyssey-Xak-III-Cycho-Rider-/331509009231?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2f7a0b4f