That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!

[SephirothTNH]

Ok, so your a broke loser, grats...

I'm not trying to fuel the flames or pick sides.  But after reading that You've become the first to go on my ignore list.

[esteban]

But by the looks of it, we can either watch our stuff get bootlegged, which sucks, or we can force things to work in emulators only, which also sucks. Or we can just not bother.

Or you can quit worrying so much about the select few that buy Tobias's shit.  The majority of people are supportive of and thankful for the translation work, so why not focus on the positive?  To be honest, you sound like the DRM software nazis that continually slap their honest paying customers in the face because of the actions of a select few.

You dismiss things so easily, Necro.

Necro, please spend hundreds/thousands of hours working on something, a project you really care about, only to have it raped and pimped out before your very eyes.

It is hard not to become burnt out and frustrated.

So—please don't condescendingly dismiss genuine frustration from someone who is ACTIVELY HELPING US.

Didn't you just say we were a supportive community?

Well, f*ck, at least acknowledge the shitty situation SamIAm is in. He clearly has MIXED FEELINGS and the only way to ensure he doesn't become 100% sour is to actually be supportive.

I don't want DRM either, but I realize that it is better to be supportive and actually acknowledge another human beings feelings than to just be a douchebag and, essentially say:

"Your genuine frustration means nothing to me. Your tireless work for the benefit of all means nothing. Now, let's talk about how I, the selfish gamer, am pissed off. "

Holy shit.
 

I mean, does Tobias really even have the necessary brain-talents to figure out how to stop something as simple as a boot screen that says IF YOU GOT THIS FROM TOBIAS/PCEWORKS, YOU GOT f*ckED, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FREE.
or something to that.

A generic notice is best, because it will apply to all profiteers and eBay scum (past, present, future). I suggested this as a simple solution that goes back to (at least) DIY ethic from decades ago:

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg395650#msg395650

Plus, you don't want to immortalize or give free advertising to Tobias.

"If you bought this, you were scammed. It is available free from ____."

[BigusSchmuck]

There you go gents.

[Necromancer]

You dismiss things so easily, Necro.

Necro, please spend hundreds/thousands of hours working on something, a project you really care about, only to have it raped and pimped out before your very eyes.

It is hard not to become burnt out and frustrated.

So—please don't condescendingly dismiss genuine frustration from someone who is ACTIVELY HELPING US.

Didn't you just say we were a supportive community?

Well, f*ck, at least acknowledge the shitty situation SamIAm is in. He clearly has MIXED FEELINGS and the only way to ensure he doesn't become 100% sour is to actually be supportive.

I don't want DRM either, but I realize that it is better to be supportive and actually acknowledge another human beings feelings than to just be a douchebag and, essentially say:

"Your genuine frustration means nothing to me. Your tireless work for the benefit of all means nothing. Now, let's talk about how I, the selfish gamer, am pissed off. "

Holy shit.

That's not even remotely close to what I was saying, so kindly get f*cked.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

You dismiss things so easily, Necro.

Necro, please spend hundreds/thousands of hours working on something, a project you really care about, only to have it raped and pimped out before your very eyes.

It is hard not to become burnt out and frustrated.

So—please don't condescendingly dismiss genuine frustration from someone who is ACTIVELY HELPING US.

Didn't you just say we were a supportive community?

I'm not taking what Necro said that way at all. It's basically him just putting out there that the majority of the PCE community shouldn't be punished for the actions of a few, those few not even being members here on this forum even for the most part.

It's getting to a point now where if the folks behind fan translations are going to let Tobias dictate what they do out of fear, then that is just more power put into his hands and taken away from us. Fan translators need to have faith in the PCE community, that as a majority we don't support what Tobias has done and wont be paying him for their hard work they intended to be freely shared and enjoyed.

I'm sure most of Tobias customers are youtube PCE/TG noobs, or collecttards from Digital Press and the like. Those types don't have anything to do with us, and we don't have anything to do with them. SamIAm, whatever you guys decide to do, I would understand and support that decision 100 percent, whether it is scorched earth, or you going forward with releases. In the end, you guys have to do what is right for you. I just don't think you should be letting Tobias scare you out of projects. Don't give him that kind of control over you. If you wanna do something, do it, is all I am saying.

[ClodBuster]

There you go gents.

Fix'd.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Whatever message would be put on the "winners" screen, it should probably include the key words like "PURCHASED FROM TOBIAS FUDOH REICH", "YOU LET HIM FACEf*ck YOU LONGTIME", and "PCEWORKS".

[PunkicCyborg]

There's lots of lulz on Instagram for the #pceworks tag
https://instagram.com/explore/tags/pceworks/

It's very sad that I see people who post their new PCE collections consisting of a Duo-R, TED and PCE Works bootlegs and THAT'S IT.
bih_retro_gaming is one of the few people who post pretty much primarily PCE stuff and he pimps the PCE Works shit all day. He's a member here BTW. He took the bait on one of the fake "Magical Chase Holy Grail" photos on ebay last month and thought they were real and was like "anyone have any info on when PCE Works will be selling these?" but deleted the post

[Necromancer]

now that i've seen the rondo box set, i wouldn't be surprised to see a magical grail from pce works.

But like the foam rubber stake, it'll be f*cked up in some fundamental way.

"Do not get wet.  Dissolves in water!"

[esteban]

That's not even remotely close to what I was saying, so kindly get f*cked.

You can claim that you did not intend to communicate a dismissive/condescending message, but your very words say otherwise.

Kindly don't dismiss genuine frustration so cavalierly, and kindly don't throw around a term like "DRM nazi" so cavalierly.

What is hilarious is that if someone treated you in the same manner, you would certainly have taken *some* offense to it.

You and I are actually ~100% agreement on the actual issues at hand (how to handle profiteering, DRM, etc), we just differ on whether or not to (1) *fully* acknowledge someone's legitimate concerns *and* (2) how to respectfully suggest that DRM is not a solution.

SamIAm has earned the right to vent his blarrrgghhhh.

The least we can do is to take an extra nanosecond when posting a response.

As for your final request: I am always fondling myself when reading this forum. Sometimes, I f*ck myself, too. I was thinking of you the entire time I composed this post. Then....SUBMIT.

Hugs and kisses, Necro

[Necromancer]

You can claim that you did not intend to communicate a dismissive/condescending message, but your very words say otherwise.

Whatever.  If you want to drive Sam to focus on the minor negatives, ultimately ending in rage quit, that's your business.

Kindly don't dismiss genuine frustration so cavalierly.....

How is telling someone to focus on the positive outright dismissal?

..... and kindly don't throw around a term like "DRM nazi" so cavalierly.  What is hilarious is that if someone treated you in the same manner, you would certainly have taken *some* offense to it.

Yeah, that's real insulting. 

Anyway, the DRM analogy is 100% fitting.  A mocking splash screen, game breaking bug, or going emulation only WILL NOT stop Tobias and will only hurt (or at least annoy) the people that actually want to play the games, similar to all the onerous DRM crap that does nothing to stop piracy.

You and I are actually ~100% agreement on the actual issues at hand (how to handle profiteering, DRM, etc), we just differ on whether or not to (1) *fully* acknowledge someone's legitimate concerns.....

Yes, everyone should rant and rave about how horrible Tobias is in EVERY SINGLE POST, otherwise you're just some a$$hole ignoring Sam's pain.

*and* (2) how to respectfully suggest that DRM is not a solution.

Except some form of DRM is exactly what you advocated in the past.  Try to keep your shit straight.

[MrBroadway]

I think he just means for you to lay out a case to SamIAm for why DRM is not OK, not that esteban thinks it's not. I think there's a bit of a conundrum if SamIAm doesn't want to make discs himself. Not everyone plays on emulators.

[Necromancer]

I think he just means for you to lay out a case to SamIAm for why DRM is not OK, not that esteban thinks it's not.

I don't know, it's pretty hard to misinterpret 'you and I are in 100% agreement on DRM'.

And I did explain earlier why I think any DRM attempts would be a wasted effort: they'll only end in more frustration and disappointment when they're ignored or circumvented, hastening the day that Sam says f*ck it and gives up.  I guess that's what esty wants.

I think there's a bit of a conundrum if SamIAm doesn't want to make discs himself. Not everyone plays on emulators.

Making your own booties and selling 'em for cheap would be my preferred way of removing Tobias's incentive to make his own overpriced crap, but I can honor Sam's wishes to not go that route.

[esteban]

Necro: I understand that you must always have the last word. Always.

I stand by my claims:
(1) Any good will you intended (think of the loyal PCE community!) was shown to be half-hearted—at best—with your smarmy condescension.

(2) If there was a way to sabotage Tobias, I would love it. I think it would be hilarious. However, I have my doubts that this can be achieved by *any* means. I feel that even mentioning him or PCEWORKS should be avoided, lest it advertise his wares. So...

(3) I thought that we had common ground, that we prefer not to have DRM (and I thought I was very clear that I thought you could make the case more *respectfully*). I also thought that you agreed to the general concept of educating folks with a disclaimer ("This is available for free from ____.") and a URL to a page explaining the issues in more detail. Am I correct?



(4) Historically, you have taken offense at *minor* to *insignificant* infractions, Necro...so I find it even more hilarious that you are so defensive that I am, essentially, saying you were "rude" to SamIAm. You were rude. Own it.

(5) Finally, you win. You don't even have to respond to this post. I was wrong. You were being very supportive in your post. You were very positive. You were not rude.

(6) I admit that I don't really have a #6, I just needed a little bit more time to cum. But, ALAS, I finally accomplished my mission. Jesus, when I was younger, it didn't take me this long to jerk-off while posting on the forum.

[esteban]

(7) I was only thinking about one person, of course