Author Topic: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!  (Read 36873 times)

Joe Redifer

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #660 on: October 25, 2015, 09:00:45 AM »
Also I would be surprised if Hudson would actually use the word "though". That just doesn't sound like something that fits in with the rest of the sentence structure which is struggling to be English. "Though" is too casual a word IMO. I think it would not have been in there at all and it would have fit better if it weren't.

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #661 on: October 25, 2015, 09:02:41 AM »
Also I would be surprised if Hudson would actually use the word "though". That just doesn't sound like something that fits in with the rest of the sentence structure which is struggling to be English. "Though" is too casual a word IMO. I think it would not have been in there at all and it would have fit better if it weren't.
The word "weird" stuck out to me more. Seemed very informal for a company to use that word.

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Tobias [PCEWorks] and the making of "Sapphire-Gate..." ;)
« Reply #662 on: October 25, 2015, 11:37:38 AM »
Source:
http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games/
And also this, as I am not sure if it has been posted elsewhere (the letter from Hudson that Tobias faked):


Also I would be surprised if Hudson would actually use the word "though". That just doesn't sound like something that fits in with the rest of the sentence structure which is struggling to be English. "Though" is too casual a word IMO. I think it would not have been in there at all and it would have fit better if it weren't.
The word "weird" stuck out to me more. Seemed very informal for a company to use that word.

Yeah, that's another thing that sticks out. He tried to make it sound Engrishy, but then slips up by throwing a term like 'weird' in there... I'd be pretty upset if I got duped enough by something as shoddy as this years ago and bought his bootlegs thinking they were real as a result!

I can better see now how he set this con-job up - it went something like this:
[uldecimal][li]He watched for years how Sapphire CDs went through the eBay madness of big-spending nuts throwing hundreds of dollars at it! Sapphire was one of the first PC Engine games to experience this. So naturally, he wanted to cash in and that's how he picked his first game to bootleg/press, eBay picked it for him!
[/li][li]He decided he wanted to create matching counterfeits to pass as originals for 2 reasons: a) originals in principle fetch more money than admitted fakes/counterfeits/bootlegs/etc., and b) he wanted to be able to phish for suckers with eBay which is an effective instrument in finding big-spending nutjobs all around the world. However, to evade their anti-counterfeit policies and not see any sales or auction listings shut down, he'd need to sell his lie for that reason too!
[/li][li]So the scheme is set, locked and loaded. He finds a CD pressing plant to make his counterfeits... but there's a snag in the plan. When his order arrives, he sees that the coloring on the CD labeling is off, mistakes were made, etc. and so they don't quite perfectly match... Somebody might discover there's quite a difference versus the originals... What to do ??
[/li][li]Given points 1 to 3, he would need a believable cover story to sell the lie that this new batch of Sapphires were originals even despite imperfections/differences... So he decided to forge a letter by Hudson where he pretended to have sent one copy from this "newly discovered batch in some warehouse" of his for verification of authenticity by Hudson themselves.

This forged letter is written to sell a story that he actually mailed a copy from his batch to Hudson, they looked at it for him, saw nothing "weird" about it, mentioned how it could be apart of failed productions that were recalled at some point, etc. and they then mailed it back to him! With this, he floats the possibility that what he has are NOT bootlegs, but merely poorly produced authentic copies that were recalled until someone discovered them sitting somewhere and decided to sell rather than destroy them and what not and that Hudson actually looked at a copy for him and didn't find anything particularly wrong...[/li][/ul]
And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen...

The making of "Sapphire-Gate..." :)



So, I think that pieces it together for clarity. Jimmy Hapa, one of the Youtube personalities, had asked me for links, evidence, something more verifiable to really prove the case that Tobias was a lying fraudster. I did provide links to the 'fudoh' account, but yeah, this forged document was unavailable at the time so it could be useful for others in the future.

You do sometimes need to provide rock-solid evidence for some people who'll treat the matter as a judicial session and demand you act as an organized prosecutor, have all your links, facts, source quotes, etc. on demand, and all in order, etc.! ;) Anywhere that doubt can be cast, they'll seize upon if they really don't want to believe or accept it.
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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #663 on: October 25, 2015, 02:16:38 PM »
I've been helping dozens...maybe hundreds...of Japanese adults of all levels try to render English for the past six years now. I've also worked as the only foreigner in a Japanese company for the past two, and I see business documents all the time.

If that letter was written by a Japanese person, I'll eat my hat.

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Re: That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!
« Reply #664 on: October 25, 2015, 05:34:28 PM »
Yeah had I known people actually wanted to see the letter again I'd have looked for it and posted it prior. I didn't realize it was wiped off the net, but then again, reading that it was doesn't surprise me.

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Looks like Tobias has actually had the balls to restock the Xak III and SO II translations, and start selling them again ...

https://pceworks.wordpress.com/availability/

I guess this that this means that the leopard really hasn't changed his spots.  [-X

Ahhhh ... fr*k!  ](*,)

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...but he gave away all those pressed discs...

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Pressed Disc giveaway round two is about to start. Tobias must offer tribute to his PCEFX overlords.

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Looks like Tobias has actually had the balls to restock the Xak III and SO II translations, and start selling them again ...

https://pceworks.wordpress.com/availability/

I guess this that this means that the leopard really hasn't changed his spots.  [-X

Ahhhh ... fr*k!  ](*,)

I'm sure you've thought about it at least a bit so I'll go ahead and ask.  Would reproductions for profit stop you from further translation works?
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Looks like Tobias has actually had the balls to restock the Xak III and SO II translations, and start selling them again ...

https://pceworks.wordpress.com/availability/

I guess this that this means that the leopard really hasn't changed his spots.  [-X

Ahhhh ... fr*k!  ](*,)

Are you surprised?  He's doing it for the love of it!

And by "it" he means "money".
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Are you surprised?  He's doing it for the love of it!

And by "it" he means "money".

Yes, actually, I am a bit surprised. Stupid me!  #-o

Sure, he's an absolute money-grubbing bastidge, but I was dumb enough to think that he'd learned his lesson from the outcry over his last duplication of translations against the wishes of their authors ... and he even said that he wasn't going to repro (at least those) translations again.

He's already found the way to neuter translator's complaints ... just give away the translations for free, but charge for the original Japanese versions (with a nice space in the package for the translation).

But, he seems to have stopped his "free for shipping" disc-only giveaways, and games are now "free with purchase" ... i.e. not-free at all.

It's such an unnecessary thing for him to do. He's already making plenty of money from his collections and "specials" from idiots that want shelf-candy and who believe that spending money and having "stuff" makes them important.

Which is, I suppose, the point ... those are the kind of ass-hats that want the English translations inside the sealed package so the whole thing remains pure and pristine and can be "graded".
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but I was dumb enough to think that he'd learned his lesson from the outcry over his last duplication of translations against the wishes of their authors ... and he even said that he wasn't going to repro (at least those) translations again.
At least you backpedaled on thinking he'd learned his lesson.   Basically everyone else wants to touch him inappropriately and high five him now.

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It's such an unnecessary thing for him to do. He's already making plenty of money from his collections and "specials" from idiots that want shelf-candy and who believe that spending money and having "stuff" makes them important.

You mean *dumbf*cks, maybe.

lol.

This is all a shitshow.

like 90 hippos doing that ass-spray thing all at once while we've got our mouths open.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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So I finally decided to look up this MC bundle...huh...that's it? I'm gonna go to the print shop and see what I can put the Magical Chase cover art on. Mugs? Mouse pads? T-shirts? I can charge whatever I want and idiots still buy it! What are we all waiting for?
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So I finally decided to look up this MC bundle...huh...that's it? I'm gonna go to the print shop and see what I can put the Magical Chase cover art on. Mugs? Mouse pads? T-shirts? I can charge whatever I want and idiots still buy it! What are we all waiting for?

initially, other people were going to do TobiasStuff(TM) and not be dicks about it...

but I guess it became easier to just supply/work with him.

If you do alternatives for not-moron prices, that'd be coo.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Looks like Tobias has actually had the balls to restock the Xak III and SO II translations, and start selling them again ...

Ahhhh ... fr*k!  ](*,)

I'm sure you've thought about it at least a bit so I'll go ahead and ask.  Would reproductions for profit stop you from further translation works?

I didn't want to reply to this too quickly, and take some time to calm down.

I think that the answer has to be "yes".

I could either continue helping the homebrew scene here, or just move on and help with translations or development in the X68000 or PC98 communities.

I've had an unused X68000 sitting beside my desk for over a year now, waiting for some attention, because I've been busy with LoX and the PCE.


The LoX dubs have attracted the attention of professional VO talent, who I really wouldn't expect to touch this kind of non-paying work with a barge-pole.
 
Something about this project has drawn people out, and taken it far beyond the level that I would have expected possible from a "fan-dub".

Like me, they're expecting that they are giving away their time and skills for a good cause, in a charitable act, to help make something good ... and not for some greedy ass to make money off of. The dub itself will be released under a Creative Commons Non-Commercial-Use license.

If PCEWorks rips off their work, and Tobias starts selling it at his usual high prices, or pulls his other little trick of not-technically but definitely-practically selling it ... and then stupid YouTube "celebs" start praising those ripoffs (which they would), then how on earth could I look at those actors/actresses in the face afterwards, or ever ask them to participate in anything else ever again.

I love the PCE-CD, but if that happened, I'd just rather spend my time doing something else.