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Keith Courage

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RGB to component converter
« on: March 22, 2015, 11:17:35 AM »
Anyone ever tried this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCART-TO-COMPONENT-RGB-AND-S-VIDEO-NEW-/161587654302?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item259f5fee9e#

Also, anyone have any recommendations of a good RGB to component converter or possibly a good RGB to HDMI converter? Just want to be able to run RGB to a US television.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2015, 11:20:59 AM by Keith Courage »

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2015, 11:34:28 AM »
Anyone ever tried this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCART-TO-COMPONENT-RGB-AND-S-VIDEO-NEW-/161587654302?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item259f5fee9e#

Also, anyone have any recommendations of a good RGB to component converter or possibly a good RGB to HDMI converter? Just want to be able to run RGB to a US television.


Odds are that thing is junk, but you never know. Do you have a actual budget in mind? The better the upscaler/converter, the higher the price. I could be wrong, but I was thinking that a lot of people were using this for awhile there:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/221156873851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337dfa167b

Also, if you're just trying to do this for Turbo stuff, you could look into buying one of Turbokons revised RGB to component boards. From then on you can use the component output on a normal tv or feed it into a upscaler to get VGA or HDMI out.

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2015, 12:51:32 PM »
Anyone ever tried this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCART-TO-COMPONENT-RGB-AND-S-VIDEO-NEW-/161587654302?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item259f5fee9e#

Also, anyone have any recommendations of a good RGB to component converter or possibly a good RGB to HDMI converter? Just want to be able to run RGB to a US television.



I'm assuming your running RGB into a HDTV HDMI. In that cause you're gonna wanna look into upscalers.  Otherwise your TV will upscale, ewwww

it really comes down to if you want to go cheap or want to spend $ to get the best possible video.

Lenkeng lkv362a   is the best cheap scaler (50$). (sometimes you get artifacts, no scanlines)

If you want top quality you want a Framemeister (~300-500$). (no artifacts, best scanlines, basically zero input lag)

There's plenty of in between choices. A good resource for more info is provided by "he who must not be named" fudoh . Search scanlines demystified or something like that
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Keith Courage

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2015, 01:04:16 PM »
I've used Turbokons component boards with great results. However, I still have some gamers that get a hold of me who are very adamant on wanting RGB.

So basically I just need something to test my work on. Don't really plan on using it for myself at this point.

I still run most of my consoles via S-video to a CRT TV. Well Except for my dreamcast which gets VGA.

The PC engine S-video mod is one of my favorites. Looks amazing with half the amount of work.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2015, 01:08:49 PM by Keith Courage »

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2015, 01:32:54 PM »
you could also pick up a small pvm like this one which can do svideo, composite, component, and rgb:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-8-Color-Video-Monitor-Trinitron-PVM-8042Q-Fast-Free-Shipping-/231510056084?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e7131c94

might be able to find a cheaper one locally on craigslist

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2015, 01:42:41 PM »
I've used Turbokons component boards with great results. However, I still have some gamers that get a hold of me who are very adamant on wanting RGB.

So basically I just need something to test my work on. Don't really plan on using it for myself at this point.

I still run most of my consoles via S-video to a CRT TV. Well Except for my dreamcast which gets VGA.

The PC engine S-video mod is one of my favorites. Looks amazing with half the amount of work.


In that case I think your best bet is a lenkeng lkv362a. It'll give you a good idea of the resulting picture quality without taking up any space.  Otherwise you'll have to hunt for a PVM  or hack a TV to accept RGB (http://mikejmoffitt.com/wp/?p=284).

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2015, 03:17:06 PM »
I could be wrong, but I was thinking that a lot of people were using this for awhile there:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/221156873851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337dfa167b


That's what I use. Works pretty well.
FMV based games though look awful with it.

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2015, 05:35:02 PM »
A buddy of mine got a Framemeister a while ago; that thing is incredible.  Takes many different types of input and outputs in 1080p over HDMI without lag.  It's kind of price-y but I'd recommend it.

http://www.amazon.com/DP3913547-Framemeister-Micomsoft-Upscaler-Japan/dp/B00QUBK6RK

$337 there, but perhaps cheaper elsewhere on the net...?
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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2015, 10:25:19 PM »
Hm, that's a great price for circuit, fancy enclosed box to boot, plus S-Video support! Great find!

I'd bet it uses an IC so it's likely better than Steve's basic transistor design (used by turbokon's boards), but for that price it likely isn't as good as say something like the JROK Video encoder ( http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html ) which is in the $65-$85 now. Speculation on the latter part, so who knows, but if it's using a cheap chip like that BA7230LS (factory made for RGB-to-YPbPr), it will definitely perform better than the fan design by Steve of a bunch of transistors put together and so forth.

In short, could be a really good deal and worth checking out for comparison! Note: This is just about simple encoding, no tricks like resolution doubling (AKA upscaling) from 240p to 480p or something which would ensure that the YPbPr signal will work with all modern LCD TVs. The circuits shown here on PCEFX thanks to Steve, Ace's circuit on sega16, and definitely this box (because of how cheap it is), are just for simple encoding and you have to hope that your modern LCD TV accepts a 240p signal via the green Luma/Y jack!

EDIT: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-to-Composite-COMPONENT-VIDEO-AV-TV-ADAPTER-HD-CONVERTER-/220833672632?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item336ab66db8

So that's interesting, more cost-effective solutions out there now if you're willing to tap your RGB lines, convert to SCART and buy a SCART cable to connect inbetween (then go to YPbPr)! As cheap as these newer encoders are, you can take a few risks and see what's good or not, etc.

hack a TV to accept RGB (http://mikejmoffitt.com/wp/?p=284).

Ah, that's awesome Mike worked on that! Though I'm hoping somebody does it via the 3 RGB lines that go to the neckboard of the CRT (how I did my tests) as that mod technique will be able to provide the most universal results (comes with drawbacks however, no control of contrast, tint, color, etc., but the advantage is you don't have to rely on a lucky TV with chip exposing RGB inputs on the motherboard and need of service manual to figure out if you've got a chance with the particular TV, etc.).

I got beautiful results with my SNES and 2 small TVs I tried, but since I'm not an EE like Steve, I can't come up the proper way to terminate those lines for general acceptance of other RGB signals and what not. Dunno how to design the most "proper" and *safe* input circuit essentially, though I can get it to work with my SNES at present. Color saturation will be perfect, but dependent on the system/console. Tint will be perfect as well (all 3 RGB lines, same signal strength, direct to the electron guns, no tweaking, yield a centered tint), and brightness can be handled by the pot at the flyback transformer... Only thing is no contrast control, but with the RGB signal tuned by the system/console, I just didn't have any complaint with the results! But yeah, it's much better if you can do it the way Mike does it with his example. It's just harder, might not be possible with a % of TVs and you will need to find the service manual.
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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2015, 06:38:07 PM »
that RGB mod is close to my 32" on my JAMMA/SCART setup
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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2015, 08:36:12 AM »
The best of the cheap RGB-to-HDMI converters is the Lenkeng LKV362a. I used a few and that is the one I keep for testing things with. It looks light years better than most TV's built-in scaler, but nowhere near as good as a GBS-8200 or Framemeister. It really excels with slightly higher res sources like the Saturn or N64.

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Re: RGB to component converter
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2015, 04:45:40 PM »
I have an RGB modded Turbo that I use a Kramer FC-14 with. It can take a VGA type (analog) RGB input, or a RGBHV type analog RGB input (BNC type connectors), and then convert that to component. You have to put BNC to RCA type adapters on the Component output.

Turbo games look excellent with the Kramer FC-14, but there are some systems that don't like the Kramer (Atari Jaguar & Sega Saturn, can't seem to get a clean RGB signal off either system via the Kramer)