Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands

[esteban]

This is the best thread.

[toymachine78]

I don't know what the f*ck to do. It feels ridiculous sorting out games based on what will work properly or not instead of good vs bad.

buy a new turbo pad already and raffle off your old janky one. Or keep it and let friends use it when playing competitive two player games.

seriously... a controller is cheap to replace. Don't judge a console's library based on a bad controller.

  Best advice yet!

[Necromancer]

You're making this waaaaay too difficult, Bekic.

On another note, flipping the piece with the rubbers did not work. First of all the piece has two holes that keep it on the controller and if you flip it it will only fit in one of them and stay on somewhat unstable but more importantly it prevents the top and bottom of the controller to close. I tried the functionality itself (not with the system on) by simply holding the PCB as the bottom but the D-pad was all around ridiculously loose and floaty in a way that it can't be used for gameplay.

It's just for a quick test; you don't need to assemble it and play through the game for a few hours just to see if it works better or not.  Loose lay the rubber bit and d-pad part atop the pcb.

I'd really like to see others play the same game and if something would've been different.

I don't have a copy of the game to test and see if it's supposed to control wonky, and I can't be bothered to load it on the flash cart or test it in Magic Engine.  Why should I take the time when you won't?

[Bekic]

Time for an update. Haven't done anything Duo-related for a while. I bought a TG16 controller that was supposedly brand new and a controller adapter to make it fit on my DUO and that same f*cking issue as before still remains. This one felt more soft and "mushy" on the the D-pad directions, barely any resistance to it and the right direction in particular just feeling awkward as f*ck, i think people can relate. It's very possible that i got f*cked over.

[Pokun]

Maybe it's not the controller then. PCE controllers have quite good d-pads but sometimes I accidentally hit diagonals on them due to the shape of the d-pad. In Dracula X I'm sometimes accidentally using special weapons when I'm trying to use the whip due to this.

I'd recommend a Hori controller with a Nintendo-style cross-pad, but I guess you need an adapter for that since you have an USA duo.

But of course it's possible both pads are faulty.

[galam]

user error.

[Bekic]

Maybe it's not the controller then. PCE controllers have quite good d-pads but sometimes I accidentally hit diagonals on them due to the shape of the d-pad. In Dracula X I'm sometimes accidentally using special weapons when I'm trying to use the whip due to this.

I'd recommend a Hori controller with a Nintendo-style cross-pad, but I guess you need an adapter for that since you have an USA duo.

But of course it's possible both pads are faulty.

Yeah it happens to me too on Dracula X but this game Zipang uses "up" for jumping so it can't even be played properly. This shit shouldn't be happening at all.

[Pokun]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

[Bardoly]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

I have 2 of the Hori Fighting Commander PC pads, and I recommend them very highly.

[Necromancer]

I'd recommend a Hori controller with a Nintendo-style cross-pad, but I guess you need an adapter for that since you have an USA duo.

All Duos have mini-DIN connectors, ya silly goose.

[Bekic]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

Yeah it's like Solomon's Key but with different levels.

The D-pad definately looks more promising, i'll get one and see how it goes.

[Gredler]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

Yeah it's like Solomon's Key but with different levels.

The D-pad definately looks more promising, i'll get one and see how it goes.

Your complaints don't sound like they are due to a mechanical error with the controller membranes, but rather a complaint about the functional design of the Duo/Turbo/PCE D-Pad. What is your opinion of the Master System pad, or Genesis/Mega Drive pad? I've always felt like my Turbo controller fell nicely between those two in terms of functionality. While not as glorious as the Genesis/Mega Drive controller, it was not nearly as bad as the master system DPad.

If you have an issue with the circular nature of the Duo/Turbo/PCE pad, I would certainly suggest trying the Hori fighting commander 6 pad. I picked one up not too long ago, and it responds almost identically like my SNES pads.

That being said, I really do feel like using a the Hori Fighting Commander pad contributes to the loss of the authenticity and nostalgia "feel" factor I associate with playing these old game systems. Like using a Genesis/Mega Drive controller to play 2600 Missile Command instead of using the Atari joystick - or in arcade with a track ball - the feel of the controller is a large part of my enjoyment of a system. Might as well play it on a keyboard with an emulator, if feel and authenticity is not a factor lol

[Bekic]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

Yeah it's like Solomon's Key but with different levels.

The D-pad definately looks more promising, i'll get one and see how it goes.

Your complaints don't sound like they are due to a mechanical error with the controller membranes, but rather a complaint about the functional design of the Duo/Turbo/PCE D-Pad. What is your opinion of the Master System pad, or Genesis/Mega Drive pad? I've always felt like my Turbo controller fell nicely between those two in terms of functionality. While not as glorious as the Genesis/Mega Drive controller, it was not nearly as bad as the master system DPad.

If you have an issue with the circular nature of the Duo/Turbo/PCE pad, I would certainly suggest trying the Hori fighting commander 6 pad. I picked one up not too long ago, and it responds almost identically like my SNES pads.

That being said, I really do feel like using a the Hori Fighting Commander pad contributes to the loss of the authenticity and nostalgia "feel" factor I associate with playing these old game systems. Like using a Genesis/Mega Drive controller to play 2600 Missile Command instead of using the Atari joystick - or in arcade with a track ball - the feel of the controller is a large part of my enjoyment of a system. Might as well play it on a keyboard with an emulator, if feel and authenticity is not a factor lol

I never tried Master System but it's funny you should mention Genesis because i have the exact same issue with that one. I bought a brand new one and the issue STILL remained, hell it felt even more unprecise than my used condition one. The former has white markings around the buttons and the latter red. It depressed the f*ck out of me and i haven't played the Genesis for a good while now.

You hit the nail straight on the head. I want to play with the original controller and the first version at that if there are multiple because that's what the games were created with in mind and the authenticity of it but sometimes the situation is just set up in a bad way. It's a real shame that it has to be that way.

[Pokun]

Sega d-pads are not X-Box bad but they are certainly no Nintendo d-pad either. I think NEC's d-pads are slightly better than Sega d-pads.

I'd recommend a Hori controller with a Nintendo-style cross-pad, but I guess you need an adapter for that since you have an USA duo.

All Duos have mini-DIN connectors, ya silly goose.

Oh right I forgot about that. Then there's no reason to not get a Japanese controller!

So Bekic just get a Hori controller, I did that too and love it! And since you will already have at least three controllers you might as well pick up a multi-tap and some Bomberman.

[Bekic]

Alrigght, it's been a while and now it's time for an update. I bought the 6 button Hori Fighting Commander PC and the issue is MUCH less prone to happen but sometimes it still does and yes it bugs me. To my surprise the if you have a controller with 3 buttons the game offers an optional directions layout with an actual button to jump instead of up on the D-pad and this pretty much eliminates the issue but that's really not the point. It should work regardless and like i said the original 2-button controllers don't even offer this option so it's still f*cked up.