Retro VGS Game Console

[TurboGrafx]

Do I have to know you well to find slogans like "haters gonna hate" dumb, dismissive, annoying, etc. ? I criticize/mock its use and other forms like "riders gonna ride..." I wouldn't go as far as Zeta did, so take that up with him.

Honestly, is it a cliche slogan? Sure, I will admit that. Was it said to offend anyone or was it used in a serious matter? Absolutely not. I definitely think it is a ridiculous saying, but I was hoping to get a few laughs out of it. If I knew it would have gotten this much backlash I would not have used it.

[SignOfZeta]

OH MY GOD IT WAS SO HILARIOUS!!!

THANKS FOR ALL THE LAUGHS!!!

Nobody cares if it's cliche. It being cliche isn't even on the radar. The term "hater" literally means that no matter how much thought I put into my opinion of something, no matter how much evidence there is, it doesn't matter because I'm just someone who categorically hates players. Who are the players? Well, anyone I hate, right? How convinient. It's the last refuge of the indefensible. The Retro VGS is a very poorly conceived idea, if you can even call it an idea or something that involved a significant degree of conception. Several of us here have all explained why in very thoughtful and well reasoned ways. But all that doesn't matter because "haters gonna hate". It's basically a rallying cry for ignorance. It's a horrible term. Categorically. All the time. Taylor Swift can't change that.

I know I went apeshit on you, but it's a stupid word and you're just digging a deeper hole every time you defend it so I'll just shut up about this for now. It's not like you're Roy Vegas or something.

[esteban]

 

[Necromancer]

OH MY GOD IT WAS SO HILARIOUS!!!

THANKS FOR ALL THE LAUGHS!!!

I got a chuckle out of the reported post, so there's that.

[elmer]

The more that I think about the Retro VGS ... the less that I'm against it.

I've come to realize that it just isn't aimed at me, or at 90% of the people here.

I no longer believe that there's any real intention to try create a new commercially-competitive retro-hardware 2d-console to go up against Sony/Microsoft/Steam/Goole/Apple.

It's the lunacy of that idea that most of the posts here have been ragging on.

I now believe that it's intended to be a limited-lifespan toy ... just like the Jakks Atari-Classics/Namco-Classics controllers or the NeoGeoX.

Listening to the podcast again ... it's about opening up the box, plugging in a big cartridge, turning the console on, and being able to play immediately. Then flipping the switch and putting in the other pack-in cartridge and trying that.

It's about a "retro" feeling ... not about real "retro" hardware or games.

Michael Katz even mentioned pack-in games ... I suspect that there will be 2 cartridges in the box because the act of switching between the 2 is part of the "retro" experience.

It's the kind of thing that grandparents will buy for their kids because they remember that that's what games used to be like.

I don't believe that it's really meant for the serious PCE/SNES/Genesis/PSX/Saturn game fan ... except as a pure "collectable".

With the Jaguar background, Katz will probably try to pay Jeff Minter to do a new "Tempest 4000" game for it ... which would probably get every Jaguar fan to buy the Retro VGS.

Half-a-dozen modern Steam "retro" developers will probably get subsidized to put their games on cartridges (which they'll love for the novelty) ... and then the whole thing will fade away ... just like happens with any fad.

Quick check ... who still has a Razor Scooter or a set of Poker Chips stuck in a closet somewhere?

[toymachine78]

This seems like a very stupid idea. If I'm a developer, why not just produce games for the actual retro platforms that already exist, and well established in the retro community. As a consumer, if I want to play retro styled games there are a ton of great classic titles that I can buy for $40 or less on existing consoles, that I already own. Why buy new hardware to pay $40 to play possibly pretty mediocre games at best(based on the majority of Indy titles out today) ? This just does not compute.

[esteban]

The more that I think about the Retro VGS ... the less that I'm against it.

I've come to realize that it just isn't aimed at me, or at 90% of the people here.

I no longer believe that there's any real intention to try create a new commercially-competitive retro-hardware 2d-console to go up against Sony/Microsoft/Steam/Goole/Apple.

It's the lunacy of that idea that most of the posts here have been ragging on.

I now believe that it's intended to be a limited-lifespan toy ... just like the Jakks Atari-Classics/Namco-Classics controllers or the NeoGeoX.

Listening to the podcast again ... it's about opening up the box, plugging in a big cartridge, turning the console on, and being able to play immediately. Then flipping the switch and putting in the other pack-in cartridge and trying that.

It's about a "retro" feeling ... not about real "retro" hardware or games.

Michael Katz even mentioned pack-in games ... I suspect that there will be 2 cartridges in the box because the act of switching between the 2 is part of the "retro" experience.

It's the kind of thing that grandparents will buy for their kids because they remember that that's what games used to be like.

I don't believe that it's really meant for the serious PCE/SNES/Genesis/PSX/Saturn game fan ... except as a pure "collectable".

With the Jaguar background, Katz will probably try to pay Jeff Minter to do a new "Tempest 4000" game for it ... which would probably get every Jaguar fan to buy the Retro VGS.

Half-a-dozen modern Steam "retro" developers will probably get subsidized to put their games on cartridges (which they'll love for the novelty) ... and then the whole thing will fade away ... just like happens with any fad.

Quick check ... who still has a Razor Scooter or a set of Poker Chips stuck in a closet somewhere?

Razor Scooter, ha!

[MotherGunner]

This is the first time I've checked this thread since Iacovelli deleted his account.

It's Wmacovelli, and I think he's a prince who faked his own account deletion.


See ya bud!

[Arkhan]

So basically, it's a quick cashcow for a nimrod.


and it's in a Jagtard case. 

Sweet.

[SignOfZeta]

Being for or against it isn't the issue. It doesn't exist. The guy has NOTHING. There is no Retro VGS.

I'll form an opinion on it when some details, ANY details, are revealed.

The reason everyone is fixating on the Jag-wire case is because that's the only thing that is real...a 20 year old manufacturing artifact from a doomed console is more real than the mythical "retro" machine.

[elmer]

So basically, it's a quick cashcow for a nimrod.

Or, if you were feeling very, very generous, you might say "introducing cartridge gaming to a whole new generation".

It's not for us ... nor, I think, for anyone who's brother/father/grandfather loves/collects one or more of the old consoles.

It's for the millions of people who have fond memories of playing video games as a kid, and who have heard of this whole "retro-revival" thingy ... but who aren't geeky enough about it to still have a console collection, or to scour eBay and Yahoo Japan for deals, or to spend their time on minority-interest forums like this one and hang out with folks like us.

You know ... the 90% of boring "normal" folks out there. 

and it's in a Jagtard case.

Which is a terrible sign to most people "in-the-know" ... but could actually be a good idea if I'm right. It would allow him to put "in an original ATARI-designed case" prominently on the box.

You'd look at that and snigger ... his potential customers would look at that and say "I remember ATARI ... cool". Brand recognition.

Being for or against it isn't the issue. It doesn't exist. The guy has NOTHING. There is no Retro VGS.

I'll form an opinion on it when some details, ANY details, are revealed.

I totally agree ... especially now that I've got my head around at least one vaguely plausible business case that doesn't just make him out to be a total nut-case.

[EDIT]

It's the total lack of any solid information that lets me go off on the complete flight-of-fantasy of my last last few messages. I could obviously be totally wrong. 

[MotherGunner]

What's a snigger?

[glazball]

I'll throw my 2 cents as well - I'm quite pleased at the idea of the Retro VGS.  Of course, we all will just have to wait until we have more details, but in the meantime I prefer to be optimistic.  I don't see why it can't coexist with other consoles, old and new.

My only concern is the physical carts themselves.  I'm no stranger to wanting a physical copy of a game (I've only bought 3 digital games ever), but the reasons for publishers shying away from carts are still as valid as they were 20 years ago.

Are we going to see a bunch of developers begging for money to "Kickstart Our Cart"?  I have mixed feelings about Kickstarter because it seems even big artists (music, games, etc) who have money are using crowdfunding for projects.  I would love to go back to the days of "We took the risk, made this game and we hope you will buy it for $XX because you want to own and play it."

[Necromancer]

What's a snigger?

A muffled laugh.

Or a candy bar. 

[elmer]

What's a snigger?

Whoops ... cultural language difference ... basically "a dismissive laugh".

Double-whoops ... I didn't even think about it ... perhaps it sounds a little bit too close to the "word-that-must-never-be-used-in-public" for some people.