Retro VGS Game Console

[ProfessorProfessorson]

You know when this campaign fails they will toss the blame on the different communities and naysayers, etc, and not at all on their flimsy but overly hyped ponzi scheme built upon an Atari Jaguar shell, or their terrible past track record with the Retro magazine.

[sirhcman]

You know when this campaign fails they will toss the blame on the different communities and naysayers, etc, and not at all on their flimsy but overly hyped ponzi scheme built upon an Atari Jaguar shell, or their terrible past track record with the Retro magazine.

You don't have to wait for the campaign to fail, they have already planted that seed. This is from their facebook post from last weekend:

Unlike many of the people who are infesting this project with negativity, people who have never written a line of code or developed any marketable hardware of any sort, Steve Woita and John Carlsen have been actually making successful and fun gaming software and hardware for a few decades for companies like Apple, Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Tengen, Activision, Iguana Entertainment, etc.

[Jibbajaba]

Apparently Gary Kitchen, who the Retro VGS folks bragged about having as a backer, got his $1000+ pledge refunded.

As damning as that would be, there's still the possibility that it's just a mistake ...

Hey Everyone,

We have confirmed, according to our IGG rep that Paypal is canceling some pledges for no reason(having to do with something triggering their fraud dept), and we are discussing with them now. We found out when one large backer said his pledge was reversed and he told us about it. Have any of you had this happen? If so let us know as we don’t know if it’s an isolated incident or happing frequently.

We will keep on keepin’ on!

Mike

So then why hasn't he re-backed it? 

[Mathius]

You know when this campaign fails they will toss the blame on the different communities and naysayers, etc, and not at all on their flimsy but overly hyped ponzi scheme built upon an Atari Jaguar shell, or their terrible past track record with the Retro magazine.

It's not too bad of a mag. I enjoy it for what it is. I do agree though that it is a little bit more collectardy than when it began.

[Black Tiger]

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You know when this campaign fails they will toss the blame on the different communities and naysayers, etc, and not at all on their flimsy but overly hyped ponzi scheme built upon an Atari Jaguar shell, or their terrible past track record with the Retro magazine.

You don't have to wait for the campaign to fail, they have already planted that seed. This is from their facebook post from last weekend:

Unlike many of the people who are infesting this project with negativity, people who have never written a line of code or developed any marketable hardware of any sort, Steve Woita and John Carlsen have been actually making successful and fun gaming software and hardware for a few decades for companies like Apple, Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Tengen, Activision, Iguana Entertainment, etc.

Except that the most damning criticism of this fiasco since it was first announced, has been from people with various development experience as well as people who intimately are familiar with the hardware development side.

It takes an extra oblivious narcissist to so negatively paint anyone who doesn't blindly worship them as "infesting" their project "with negativity".

[Lost Monkey]

Apparently Gary Kitchen, who the Retro VGS folks bragged about having as a backer, got his $1000+ pledge refunded.

As damning as that would be, there's still the possibility that it's just a mistake ...

Hey Everyone,

We have confirmed, according to our IGG rep that Paypal is canceling some pledges for no reason(having to do with something triggering their fraud dept), and we are discussing with them now. We found out when one large backer said his pledge was reversed and he told us about it. Have any of you had this happen? If so let us know as we don’t know if it’s an isolated incident or happing frequently.

We will keep on keepin’ on!

Mike

So then why hasn't he re-backed it? 

Paypal won't let him! Down to 190 backers now, from 192 at midnight..

[mickcris]

the crowdcharts page is predicting that it will stay where it is now. Probably the algorithm isn't made to show a lower amount than what it currently is

http://crowdcharts.com/campaign/retro-vgs

[ProfessorProfessorson]

You know when this campaign fails they will toss the blame on the different communities and naysayers, etc, and not at all on their flimsy but overly hyped ponzi scheme built upon an Atari Jaguar shell, or their terrible past track record with the Retro magazine.

It's not too bad of a mag. I enjoy it for what it is. I do agree though that it is a little bit more collectardy than when it began.

The main problem with the mag is they did not deliver the product they said they would. The mag has had constant delays, and the quality and content is not where it should be really. A lot of people who backed it have been pretty unhappy with the results. Knowing that, for me its like, if these guys cant even manage to put out a classic game mag on a semi regular basis at a consistent quality, what makes anyone think they can deliver an actual game console, and actual games for that matter? Only the extremely naive would buy into this thing. The same types that buy into absurd time sharing deals, donate to the 700 Club, buy "AS SEEN ON TV" products, etc. Basically the same kinda fools that can be talked into buying anything.

[Medic_wheat]

You know when this campaign fails they will toss the blame on the different communities and naysayers, etc, and not at all on their flimsy but overly hyped ponzi scheme built upon an Atari Jaguar shell, or their terrible past track record with the Retro magazine.

It's not too bad of a mag. I enjoy it for what it is. I do agree though that it is a little bit more collectardy than when it began.

The main problem with the mag is they did not deliver the product they said they would. The mag has had constant delays, and the quality and content is not where it should be really. A lot of people who backed it have been pretty unhappy with the results. Knowing that, for me its like, if these guys cant even manage to put out a classic game mag on a semi regular basis at a consistent quality, what makes anyone think they can deliver an actual game console, and actual games for that matter? Only the extremely naive would buy into this thing. The same types that buy into absurd time sharing deals, donate to the 700 Club, buy "AS SEEN ON TV" products, etc. Basically the same kinda fools that can be talked into buying anything.

Pat use to write for it as well.

In his recent YouTube video on the system (a whopping two parter!). He mentioned how he no longer writes for it.

[SignOfZeta]

Are we talking about that UK mag that thinks the Spectrum is an significant as the SNES or some new thing? I assume it's something else, but I thought the UK one was "Retro" or something.

[Medic_wheat]

Are we talking about that UK mag that thinks the Spectrum is an significant as the SNES or some new thing? I assume it's something else, but I thought the UK one was "Retro" or something.

No the US Kickstarter magazine that. Well I have read an issue or two and never found it interesting enough to spend money on.

[esteban]

CONFESSION: I have never seen nor read this Retro magazine everyone is talking about, so now I am curious to read it.

[Mathius]

Are we talking about that UK mag that thinks the Spectrum is an significant as the SNES or some new thing? I assume it's something else, but I thought the UK one was "Retro" or something.

The Uk mag is called Retro Gamer and does indeed consider the ZX Spectrum to be as important as the NES. But you have to remember that the UK at that time was in the grip of micro-computer mania. The first console to break into the mainstream there was the Master System.

The US mag is just called Retro. It included some previous EGM staff including Martin Alessi and Jeremy Parish. Martin is a good friend of mine and I supported the mag to support him. He no longer works there however as he is setting up his own mag now devoted to youngsters.

[Gredler]

More interviews, it's not about the money, they just want to make games again and there are just not enough retro systems to support more development, they need a new retro system to develop for. Makes sense

[jtucci31]

Oh god, an hour long gamester81 video with these guys. Can anyone summarize this?

EDIT:
Mike Kennedy-I've been longtime collector douche. I've been trying to make money off your hobby with gamegavel, retro magazine, and now retro vgs
Both-We don't want to bash modern gaming, but our cartridges are cooler and better than modern gaming and modern gaming sucks.

gamester81-So why the change from $150 to $350 in price?
M.K.-Well (insert long tangent that doesn't answer the question at all).

M.K. ends with-Developers need this. Consumers need this. YOU need this.
M.K.-The Ouya wasn't for me, I don't like mobile games. But I bought one anyway. Oh and we're better than that thing.

Mike Kennedy doesn't really answer the kevtris FGPA issue. "Won't stoop to level of atariage folks"

M.K.-Come on guys, we spent $6k on the Jaguar shell. This may never happen again. You're showing us you don't want a cartridge based system. 


Listened to the whole thing. Total waste. I'm sure some of you could have guessed that, but I had nothing better to do.