Author Topic: Regular Turbo Duo Usage (Read 1242 times)

takashirose · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:44:18 AM »

Emulation is fine, but I love the orignal controllers. The Duo controller is great. Very functional. Playing Turbo games on the Wii though will not be as bad as playing it on the PC. The Wii controller when held horizontally, is similar in funtion to the Turbo controllers except without the Turbo fire switches. Actually, it will be like playing the original PC-engine controller before auto-fire was put on the core grafx controllers.

I just wanted to make my view extreme so that I could see your true thoughts. I am a gamer who has collectors' qualities. I prefer to play my games than to store them away unless I have a sealed copy of a game. For example my friends gave me Virtua Fighter 2 and Virtua Cop for my birthday in 1998, which I already hadso I left it sealed. In addition I have a sealed Bonk's Adventure because I already got the game with my Turbo Duo with the Gate of Thunder disc, I bought the game before realising that I ma getting a Turbo Duo.

And yes I hate greasy handed slobs that smother the grease everywhere. That stuff is hard to clean. There was this girl when I was 11, who played my super nes after eating stale pop-corn. The stench was there until I wiped the controller a lot with wet paper towels. It was a 3rd party controller. Keep the opinions coming because I cherish them. It's just that I always think that people will judge my systems like a collector will do, so I take extra care of them. But regardless of that notion, I take care of them because that is my nature. When I was a little kid, I took care of my toys. That's why I still have them to this day. In addition, I paid a lot of money for my Turbo Duo. That is why I take care of it. Keep the opinions coming fellow Turbo fans.

Odonadon · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:18:07 AM »

Quote from: "Seldane"

Emulation? Madness!

A (very) noisy Xbox with the worst controllers in existance? I think not!

I want to insert those hu-cards or CDs in that pretty Duo, and I want to hold that (somewhat crappy) PC Engine controller when I'm playing my PC Engine games. I would NEVER play it on another console or a computer, it isn't even an option!

Consider this: the more you use your equipment the sooner they will die. I prefer to preserve my stuff.

Going to controllers - there are many plusses to emulation on PC and the XBox, one of them is the controller. With adapters and massive third party support, you can almost get any controller in any shape for your PC or XBox. Personally, I find the corners of a NES controller a bit jagged on my massive hands, and the PC Engine d-pad has a lot to be desired thanks to it's concave-ness. After about 20 minutes I'm left with a raw left thumb.

I'm also able to take my experience several steps further thanks to the many benefits emulation offers including: loading CD games off the hard drive (no loading times), high-res graphics thanks to a variety of different filters, savegames where you want, customizable buttom mappings, you name it. Some emulators even have the ability to rewind a game to correct a mistake or two.

Personally, I don't care about buttom mappings, savegames, or rewind functions, but they are there and a marked value-add over the original offerings.

Emulation is clearly superior in terms of what options you are given, but it all comes down to personal preference in the end. Firing up Bonk on the XBox just isn't quite the same as firing it up on the original hardware.

OD

FM-77 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:05:17 PM »

Being able to save anywhere is--to me--a disadvantage. Even having the option completely ruins the game to me. Why? Because I will use it. A LOT. And let's face it--that's cheating. You WILL use it again and again, and in the end--you'll suck at playing video games (when I first started using emulation, I did this a lot and when I started playing REAL video games again, I couldn't handle it).

I also like the loading times, I don't know why--but I just do. Oh, and filters? That completely ruins the pixeller's good work. Not an option to me.

malducci · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:14:50 PM »

Seldane brings up some great points about emulation. I use the term 'Touring a game' when you use save states to beat the game. I've tour'd quite of few games, and it ruins the play value and such. I since then, started playing without save states - you just get so much more experience out of the game.

When it comes to the 'real' output of the PCE systems, it's pretty much crap. The gamma, saturation, and softness is lousy when compared to the SNES and even MD. I've heard there are some nice composite output mods out there to remedy this. I use to have a special profile stored on my TV just for SGX/Duo. Emulation offers a nice set of filters, increase in saturation, and gamma levels - though I do output the emu to the TV in 480p(component). I do like the fact that I can run the iso/wav instead of taking the game out of the box. I don't want to add anymore wear and tear to my systems and games. Although, I do occasionally plan the real system - just can't help it. The plus side of emu's are no flicker and sometimes no or less slowdown.

Hehe, I was never a fan of load times either

Also, 96.2% of my PCE collection is made up of cd's, so being able to play rom images is nice. I usually don't buy hucards.

SignOfZeta · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:28:08 PM »

Quote from: "Odonadon"

Quote from: "Seldane"

Consider this: the more you use your equipment the sooner they will die. I prefer to preserve my stuff.

Again, like I said, then why ever buy the stuff in the first place?

I think we all know that mechanical things break down. However I've been playing my US Turbo Duo since late 1992 quite regularly, and in all that time I'm seen much more degradation in my own body than I have of the Duo.

I just recently bought a busted Duo R and fixed it, so I figure I'm probably set for life as far as playing the systems go. The illusion of permanence obtained by hoarding wonderful game hardware and treating it as sculpture by never taking it out of a box...I'm afraid I'm not very well set up for that.

I think I just like games way more than you guys. Only if I hated games would I lock them away in closets to never be used.

malducci · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:45:15 PM »

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I think I just like games way more than you guys. Only if I hated games would I lock them away in closets to never be used.

I assume that was sarcasm

, right? I love playing games, that's why I make copies of the CD's, so I can still play them without handling the original. When it comes to current generation games/systems though, I don't treat them this way(nor do I make copies).

Odonadon · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:17:59 PM »

Quote from: "SignOfZeta"

Quote from: "Odonadon"
Quote from: "Seldane"

Consider this: the more you use your equipment the sooner they will die. I prefer to preserve my stuff.

Again, like I said, then why ever buy the stuff in the first place?

Why, to collect of course. I have purchased a lot of things for my house that I have never touched, and I look at only once in a while (drapes, pictures, on the wall, etc.). What's the point in buying those?

I realize the original intention of the PC Engine was for people to play it However, the piece of hardware I have in my basement is creeping up on 20 years old. I've had brand new consoles die on me after a couple years. As time goes on it becomes increasingly difficult to replace/repair any broken hardware.

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I think we all know that mechanical things break down. However I've been playing my US Turbo Duo since late 1992 quite regularly, and in all that time I'm seen much more degradation in my own body than I have of the Duo.

I think your body is much more proned to degredation than a hunk of metal and plastic And you may still have a few years on the Duo yet. On the other hand, it could go up in smoke tomorrow. My point is you never know - like I said earlier I've had systems die not too long after purchase. I've had others (like my PC Engine) that's lasted almost 20 years. It's a definite risk, but it's entirely up to you.

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I think I just like games way more than you guys. Only if I hated games would I lock them away in closets to never be used.

No I don't think that has anything to do with it Like I said in earlier posts, emulation is just more comfortable, more convenient, offers some potential performance boosts, virtually elliminate load times, and is ultimately cheaper.

With regards to the savegame feature, have some self restraint people It's not that hard NOT to use the feature. I rarely do.

OD

FM-77 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 31, 2006, 01:20:58 AM »

Quote from: "malducci"

When it comes to the 'real' output of the PCE systems, it's pretty much crap. The gamma, saturation, and softness is lousy when compared to the SNES and even MD. I've heard there are some nice composite output mods out there to remedy this. I use to have a special profile stored on my TV just for SGX/Duo. Emulation offers a nice set of filters, increase in saturation, and gamma levels - though I do output the emu to the TV in 480p(component).

I don't know about this as I've only seen the DUO's composite output a few times. The picture was very weak so I RGB modded the system right away. The DUO has a fantastic RGB output (but it'll require an amplifier).

Quote from: "Seldane"

Consider this: the more you use your equipment the sooner they will die. I prefer to preserve my stuff.

I never said this! I'm being misquoted!

takashirose · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:32:37 AM »

I never modded my Turbo Duo and the composite cables work just fine for me. Do they have an s-video cable? I don't have any problems playing Gate of Thunder using Composite. I actually like the graphics. Of course I have never seen a Turbo Duo with an RGB output.

Odonadon · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:27:36 PM »

Quote from: "Seldane"

Consider this: the more you use your equipment the sooner they will die. I prefer to preserve my stuff.

I never said this! I'm being misquoted!

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No that's what I said

You said:

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I want to insert those hu-cards or CDs in that pretty Duo, and I want to hold that (somewhat crappy) PC Engine controller when I'm playing my PC Engine games. I would NEVER play it on another console or a computer, it isn't even an option!

To which that was my response - the more you use it the sooner it will die. I think we can all accept that as a generally true statement

OD

takashirose · « **Reply #25 on:** August 02, 2006, 02:33:26 AM »

"Oh, emulation! How much I love you. You bring so much joy to my gaming life." For some reason emulation is like having sex with a clone of your wife or girlfriend, while the real one is still a virgin. I just had to say it. How does that sound?

Odonadon · « **Reply #26 on:** August 02, 2006, 07:44:37 AM »

Quote from: "takashirose"

"Oh, emulation! How much I love you. You bring so much joy to my gaming life." For some reason emulation is like having sex with a clone of your wife or girlfriend, while the real one is still a virgin. I just had to say it. How does that sound?

A little psychotic actually

OD

grahf · « **Reply #27 on:** August 02, 2006, 08:56:43 AM »

One could also argue that emulation is like buying a awesome painting, and storing it away. Instead, you put a photocopy on the wall. Sure its almost the same, but never will be.

Odonadon · « **Reply #28 on:** August 02, 2006, 10:44:04 AM »

Quote from: "grahf"

One could also argue that emulation is like buying a awesome painting, and storing it away. Instead, you put a photocopy on the wall. Sure its almost the same, but never will be.

Haha, I think it's more like putting a "print" on your wall

Unless you really feel emulation is like dingy black and white copies, so be it

OD

takashirose · « **Reply #29 on:** August 02, 2006, 01:58:43 PM »

I remember playing a R-Type on a free TurboGrafx emulator. The screen was small and there was no sound. I do not want to pay $15 on a software that imitates the real thing. It's kind of weird playing it on a pc game pad. All the emulated games feel as if they are PC games and not as interesting.