Regular Turbo Duo Usage

[malducci]

I remember playing a R-Type on a free TurboGrafx emulator. The screen was small and there was no sound. I do not want to pay $15 on a software that imitates the real thing. It's kind of weird playing it on a pc game pad.

 Umm, emulators don't "imitate" systems. You know those new NES clone systems? Guess what, they're emulators - same with the all in one genesis controller. How can you compare a primitive emu with no sound to MagicEngine or Mednafen(free btw the way)?

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All the emulated games feel as if they are PC games and not as interesting.

 Obiviously you've not had much experience with good working emulators or your PC/MAC is not up to speed. That kind of statement could have been said 6-7 years, but I assume there is some other underlying psychological reason for your dis-like of emu's. My friend who is a 16bit era fan and collector is the same way, though he's pretty much computer illiterate. BTW, I use a PS-one dual shock controller w/usb adapter for use with emu's - doesn't feel anything like a PC game to me

[SignOfZeta]

 Umm, emulators don't "imitate" systems.

Yes, they do. That's exactly what they do. That's why they are called emulators.

Emulation has come pretty far with PCE though, obviously. I use emulation to try out HuCards titles to see if there are any unknown gems waiting for me out there.

Actually playing games on them for real is zero fun though most of the time. The Neo Geo emulators that run on Windows, and Xbox are pretty nice, and MAME is always fun. I almost never put any serious time into a game via emulation though.

My favorite system of all time is the SNES/SFC. I have every single SNES/SFC ROM, including hacks, fan translations, etc, plus a SNES pad USB adaptor, yet I almost never play games this way. Its just not fun for me.

[Odonadon]

Emulators use code to accomplish the same function as the console hardware.  So you could say emulators are imitations of the hardware, not the games (yes there is some programming stored in the hardware, but I think you know what I mean).

The game ROMs themselves are the EXACT same game you play on your real system - no immitation here.  In fact, not only are they the same but they ARE the games.  It's really up to you how you have your system configured to have a good/bad emulation experience.  IF you do things right, including getting a USB turbopad and hooking your computer up to the TV, the only differences you will notice are caused by that particular emulator.

I'm curious why SignOfZelda doesn't find playing emulated HuCards any fun, but MAME is always fun?

OD

[Black Tiger]

Being able to save anywhere is--to me--a disadvantage. Even having the option completely ruins the game to me. Why? Because I will use it. A LOT. And let's face it--that's cheating. You WILL use it again and again, and in the end--you'll suck at playing video games (when I first started using emulation, I did this a lot and when I started playing REAL video games again, I couldn't handle it).  

I also like the loading times, I don't know why--but I just do. Oh, and filters? That completely ruins the pixeller's good work. Not an option to me.  

I never use filters except for scanlines on my MAME cabinet.

Although anywhere saving can affect a game in a negative way, I don't think that it'd make everyone using it suck at playing video games.

If someone plays the first few levels of Daimakaimura again and again, they won't develop skills as quickly/deep as trying for hours to pass the last level or two.

Consider this: the more you use your equipment the sooner they will die.  I prefer to preserve my stuff.

Again, like I said, then why ever buy the stuff in the first place?

I think we all know that mechanical things break down. However I've been playing my US Turbo Duo since late 1992 quite regularly, and in all that time I'm seen much more degradation in my own body than I have of the Duo.

I just recently bought a busted Duo R and fixed it, so I figure I'm probably set for life as far as playing the systems go. The illusion of permanence obtained by hoarding wonderful game hardware and treating it as sculpture by never taking it out of a box...I'm afraid I'm not very well set up for that.

I think I just like games way more than you guys. Only if I hated games would I lock them away in closets to never be used.

I recently got the tototek flashcard and only use it for English translated roms and rom-only demos. I can't help the fact that I feel more comfortable digging out individual HuCards than selecting from a bunch of games on a list.

[malducci]

 Umm, emulators don't "imitate" systems.

Yes, they do. That's exactly what they do. That's why they are called emulators.

There is a difference - Final Fantasy V & VI for PSX ran on an imitator, not emulator, but I guess will just have to disagree about there meanings

[takashirose]

Final Fantasy V and VI for the PSX is a port, not emulation.  Well you get what I mean.  I never had a good PC engine emulator, but I use Nesticle for my nes roms.  It increases the clarity if I increase the resolution, which makes the screen smaller.  I use a logitech dula analogue with force feed back controller.  It feels funny playing an NES game with such an advanced controller.  In addition, the NES and any other d-pad is better than the logitech one.  P prefer the originals though.  I remeber I used to burn  backup copies of my music cds, but eventually grew tired of burning them everytime I got a new one.  In addition I noticed a very, very, slight decrease in sound quality if you listen through ear phones.

[malducci]

Final Fantasy V and VI for the PSX is a port, not emulation

Not true, it's not a port. The rom(s) are there on the disc. They basically use a script interpretor/game simulator if you will. It's a PSX program running on top of the rom, decoding parts of the rom and converting them to PSX routines.

 From Gemini:

Infact they are not emulated.  It's more like some sort of simulation, using Snes opcodes recompiled as macros, scratchpad for storing register data and parts of ram to emulate WRAM, VRAM and SRAM segments. If you try to deal with their code, you'll find it's a complete mess, really difficult to understand due to those sh*tty simulation routines and repeated stack/memory accesses.

[neokellyzero]

Emulation is great for the chance to experience a game that you may never have the chance to play otherwise, but it's not the same.  I know that there are near perfect emulators for nearly every old school system out there, but it's just not the same.  You know, there's this feeling when you open the original case, inserting the original game, push the power button, hold the original system controller in your hand.  The feeling of authenticity can't be emulated.

[Odonadon]

Emulation is great for the chance to experience a game that you may never have the chance to play otherwise, but it's not the same.  I know that there are near perfect emulators for nearly every old school system out there, but it's just not the same.  You know, there's this feeling when you open the original case, inserting the original game, push the power button, hold the original system controller in your hand.  The feeling of authenticity can't be emulated.

I will agree that you can't emulate authenticity or that particular experience.  But I'm interested in the games, and you sure can emulate those

I guess for those of us who like emulation find the "authentic" experience a nuisnance (potentially) and enjoy the convenience of emulation.  When I fire up a game I'm interested in making the process of starting said game as quick and easy as possible so I can dive right in.  I'd rather not have to insert a cartdridge or CD everytime I want to play a different game.  Doesn't mean we don't enjoy playing the same games  

OD

[Buster D]

In theory I'd rather play games via emulation when it's on a system that doesn't have at least S-Video output (PCE/Turbo doesn't count since I got a modded Duo-R from D-Lite), or games that have major slowdown/flicker issues (does this happen in emulation too?  I honestly don't know that much about it...).  

In reality though, I've never played that many games via emulation.  Was playing through Crystalis for the NES for a while years ago, but then I used a save state at a point right before a boss that I wasn't high enough in level to beat, so I gave up on it because I kept overwriting the same save state  

But I might start back up again soon once I get a USB adapter for using PS controllers, I'm interested in playing certain Famicom games like Akumajo Densetsu (Castlevania III) that had the extra Konami sound chip not present in the NES version.  And I'd rather not have to buy another system and the game and have to live with composite video and slowdown/flicker.

I'm gonna be all over the Wii though, if the Virtual Console downloads are perfect or near-perfect emulations and don't have any digital rights management BS that make you connect the system to the internet every time you want to play them or whatever.

[_joshuaTurbo]

I own a Turbo Duo and a PCFX.

I have over 120 games for those systems.  

I set asside my Duo in storage mainly because the sytem is dying, and I emulate mainly because of convenience.  With going to school fulltime, raising 3 kids and being Married to the love of my life, I can only set aside a few hours a week to gaming, and its much more convenient to double click on my PC Engine Icon on my Desktop after completing a 4 hour COBOL(yuck!) program and plug away a few minutes on Keith Courage, than to try and set up my TurboDuo.

Personally yes, i do prefer the feel and style that playing the original Hardware that the games were intended to be played on, but I also think emulation is amazing and is a great alternative to those that wish to 'try it out' or are having hardware issues.

I am going to be picking up another DUO soon, at the very least by TurboFest2007(cheap plug).  But this wil be MY THIRD TurboDuo, as the first Turbo I've owned both stopped reading disks, and the second is on its way, The CD spins but I get no sound.

Just thought I would shed some light on my comments from earlier~
about Storing Systems and all hail emulation or something like that....


TurboSage

[takashirose]

But doesn't the PSX Final Fantasy V and VI have brand new FMV sequences that the original Super Famicom obviously couldn't do.  It might have similar code, but they difinitely had to change some since it's on a different system and controller.  I prefer the original systems unless they are ports, which I don't mind.

[FM-77]

All the SNES -> PS1 ports are horrible! The loading times are RIDICULOUS!

In Chrono Trigger, for example the characters just stand there - doing nothing - when the battles start. It takes about five seconds of nothing before the battle actually starts.

But that's not surprising--the PS1 is the worst piece of hardware ever designed. It couldn't even handle 3D, and yet most games used it. Every PS1 3D game is a joke.  

[SignOfZeta]

All the SNES -> PS1 ports are horrible! The loading times are RIDICULOUS!

In Chrono Trigger, for example the characters just stand there - doing nothing - when the battles start. It takes about five seconds of nothing before the battle actually starts.

But that's not surprising--the PS1 is the worst piece of hardware ever designed. It couldn't even handle 3D, and yet most games used it. Every PS1 3D game is a joke.  

Um...you're nuts.

The PS1 was bad at 3D, except when compared to every other system out there, and all home computers. This was 1994 after all.

I agree that the SNES ports suck, as does almost anything 2D on PS1, but the PS1 was the first system to offer 3D games that were actually playable in quantity. Until the PS, 3D pretty much meant unplayable garbage.

I think the PS2, and the PSP are much much more poorly designed.

[takashirose]

I actually love how the PSP looks like, especially in white, which is what I have.  The only thing I don't like is that the top stains too quickly, which makes me have to wipe it with my glasses cleaner every time I finish playing the PSP.