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Necromancer

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Re: TED Group Buy Round 2! ORDERED!
« Reply #240 on: July 29, 2015, 09:09:01 AM »
I wouldn't say a sleazy used car salesman is entirely analagous, as he's not turning back the odometer or otherwise misrepresenting what's for sale.
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« Reply #241 on: July 29, 2015, 09:17:40 AM »
I wouldn't say a sleazy used car salesman is entirely analagous, as he's not turning back the odometer or otherwise misrepresenting what's for sale.

Oh, that distinction doesn't matter: I can tell what a person is like, ethically, based on the pattern of their actions and (in this case) selfish motives. SmokeMaster is not much different than the slime who try to scam the elderly, preying on their ignorance. See my example below :)

FOR EXAMPLE: Imagine that the buyer backs out of the deal. Does this somehow make the seller LESS of a douchebag?

ANSWER: Hell no. The seller is still a douchebag, because he absolutely would have proceeded with the transaction, had it been possible.
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Re: TED Group Buy Round 2! ORDERED!
« Reply #242 on: July 29, 2015, 09:29:25 AM »
And if there was only one bidder and it sold for $79, would he be the same douchebag?  Or what if he sent it out with a blank SD card and a cover made out of an old matchbook cover, would it still not matter?  You make no sense.
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« Reply #243 on: July 29, 2015, 09:45:19 AM »
It's the general sin of omission that you see by resellers for me. I grew up hating resellers in my teens because I live near a small Korea town section which also has many Indian wholesale businesses that would let me shop there illegally. One business that deals in hand tools sold me 24" pipe wrenches for $10 flat while at the local Ace hardware the markup was $79 bucks... Those wrenches were very useful to me and got me out of jams many times, so I was very thankful. I also used to hang around a resale shop having befriended the owners, one of which was shady, so I watched the "buy low/sell high" method at work for a long time... Just as an aside, I don't have the personality to do that kind of living, it makes me feel icky...

Anyway, to your point, since he omits much in his listing, it's an indicator that he wants a bidding/buying population as uninformed/ignorant as possible because that equals more payoff. That reflects on his character as a reseller. I think a truly honest/forthright reseller should've linked both to krik and info on the plastic shell in the listing, etc. Less omission and more information instead. So then regardless of the outcome, one bid for $79 or crazies ending it at $359, I couldn't levy any criticism against him - it'd be all at the bidders...

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Re: TED Group Buy Round 2! ORDERED!
« Reply #244 on: July 29, 2015, 09:55:01 AM »
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« Reply #245 on: July 29, 2015, 10:06:51 AM »

And if there was only one bidder and it sold for $79, would he be the same douchebag?  Or what if he sent it out with a blank SD card and a cover made out of an old matchbook cover, would it still not matter?  You make no sense.

Like I said, it is not difficult to discern a person's ethics, given the info we have.

I am not going to concern myself with every gradation  of douchebaggery when the general category "douchebag" is sufficient.

I, of course, am not preventing you from distinguishing the lite-,minor-, medium, major-, ultra-, etc. gradations of douchebaggery.

They are all douchebags.

Or, if you prefer—"slimy", as in "unethical"...

As in...I can't trust you. You crossed the line. It doesn't matter if only your selfish little toe crossed it, but you did something that an ethical person would not do.

You see?

I don't use douchebag lightly.

I don't use a$$hole lightly, either.





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« Reply #246 on: July 29, 2015, 06:02:51 PM »
There was nothing unethical about my auction. I put a nice package together, listed the auction at the correct price, and lots of people bid the hell out of it past. Anything else that you add to the interpretation is your own personal baggage.

If anyone wants to buy the two group buy v2.2s that I got, they're yours for $65/shipped (what I paid). I'll also include a free V2-fitted 3D printed shell for them (no SD card). This is simply out of respect to jtucci, who was generous enough to put it together. I don't want anyone to feel like I took their place in the group buy because I later went on to place my own wholesale order. PM me if you want one or both of them.

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« Reply #247 on: July 30, 2015, 12:56:13 AM »
There was nothing unethical about my auction. I put a nice package together, listed the auction at the correct price, and lots of people bid the hell out of it past. Anything else that you add to the interpretation is your own personal baggage.

If anyone wants to buy the two group buy v2.2s that I got, they're yours for $65/shipped (what I paid). I'll also include a free V2-fitted 3D printed shell for them (no SD card). This is simply out of respect to jtucci, who was generous enough to put it together. I don't want anyone to feel like I took their place in the group buy because I later went on to place my own wholesale order. PM me if you want one or both of them.

YOUR SELLING PRACTICE is unethical:

(1) YOU WERE SELLING ROMS, and don't try to claim otherwise.

(2) YOU PREY ON IGNORANCE, and don't try to claim otherwise.

(3) I could go on, but I'll stop.

Own up to it. I have more respect for someone who is honest about their selling tactics and motives than someone who tries to make up bullshit.

I will still condemn your slimy tactics, but at least you are not pretending to be an honest, ethical seller.

FOR THE CONFUSED:
There are many industries/selling practices  that I find unethical, yet they are still completely "legal" in the United States, at least.

I ABSOLUTELY ABHOR when sellers prey on a person's FEARS, INSECURITIES, IGNORANCE, etc. (diet/exercise programs, get rich quick infomercials, herbal supplements, etc etc)...

...you can imagine what I think of people involved in marketing products aimed at children...
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Re: TED Group Buy Round 2! ORDERED!
« Reply #248 on: July 30, 2015, 02:25:41 AM »
you don't own the roms
you cant sell them period even if you "include them at no cost!"

your damage control sucks you should have stuck to the story where you wanted to break even with everdrives by flipping them with your shells and stickers. That's a good excuse. You trying to come up with an answer for every attack reveals more your motive in the first place.

[Mon 16:27] <BlueBMW> i wouldnt sell an unmolested duo hehe.  I molest the crap outta of em before they leave me

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« Reply #249 on: July 30, 2015, 05:06:22 AM »
You trying to come up with an answer for every attack reveals more your motive in the first place.
I haven't changed any story, and responding with the fact that I started an auction is tiring everyone.

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« Reply #250 on: July 30, 2015, 05:10:01 AM »
I'm a martyr and I don't care what you a$$holes think, but I'm gonna argue with you and defend myself until the cows come home..... and then I'm gonna yell at the cows!
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« Reply #251 on: July 30, 2015, 05:19:54 AM »
Or I'll just respond politely like usual.

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« Reply #252 on: July 30, 2015, 05:56:47 AM »
There was nothing unethical about my auction.

That's just plain intellectually dishonest.

you don't own the roms
you cant sell them period even if you "include them at no cost!"

your damage control sucks you should have stuck to the story where you wanted to break even with everdrives by flipping them with your shells and stickers. That's a good excuse. You trying to come up with an answer for every attack reveals more your motive in the first place.

Yeah, as Ope points out, throwing the ROMs into the mix to up the value by convenience factored into the result of a bidder who may not know how easy they are to obtain, etc.

In some sense, you did not do much different from most resellers. Withhold/omit/don't bother to put all the facts on the table. It's like that new app about buying cars and its selling point that you should know what the car dealership paid for the car that you want when you walk in before you attempt to do business with a car salesman and barter if possible. All of that information is something they would prefer you don't know and to just "trust" them...

You don't stand for a more educated public because there's more money to be made by cashing in on ignorance/lacking information/etc... I prefer to see resellers of the mindset of say, "My prices are the best, I will beat my competitors pricing, I provide all possible information when I sell or auction something, I want my customers to be happy doing business with me and not be left with a sour taste afterwards, etc."

When I sold my V1 TurboEverdrive on Facebook, I put everything on the table. I said it's like new, its only had a couple of hours of usage playing HuZero on my Express, and the reason I'm trying to unload it is because krik revealed he's developing V2 with faster load times and possible Arcade Card support, etc.! I provided a link to his shopping website to make sure that was seen because some people have paid more by buying it from the shopping websites of resellers like StoneAgeGamer (though I think they matched krik's retail price now, nevermind the Deluxe version pricing which is an attempt to add further value), etc.

So, having put all the info on the table, the buyer knew everything, stated he was fine with the slower load times of this old version, and he wanted to save a few bucks from buying a totally new one, etc. I also gave him Bernie's ROM pack and guided him on set up, so it all went smooth. All that for ~$70 bucks minus $5 on shipping. Took a loss, but that's OK, so did Tucci giving buddy deals and later galam and BlackTiger donating to me meant I got V2 free anyway, thus no complaints on my part!

Anyway, the point is, that buyer can never come back to me and say, "Hey NightWolve, you screwed me! You suck, I'm glad X.X.XSEED screwed you too!" No, I didn't, I put everything on the table, relevant link for existing retail from the manufacturer source, reason for reselling, that it was working fine 100%, only a few hours of usage, etc.

Your crazy bidder on the other hand, assuming he visits krik's website some day and finds the $79 retail for it, and later finds the various plastic shells that work with it for $11-$25, he's gonna feel like a jackass... $359!!!!!!!! He and 2 others it appears were somehow desperate and bid it up to that crazy amount... I would love to question him to find out what it was, was it the ROMs, was it the shell that he thought was so valuable, what was it ??? But, we'll never know, and it's not your interest to inform him of his ignorance.

So yeah, nothing I read changes my rating for you. It is still...thumbs down!
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« Reply #253 on: July 30, 2015, 06:08:12 AM »
It's my plan for the remaining TED auctions that I have to sell to add direct links to krikzz, remove the roms from the equation, and link Sculpteo and the 3D files. They're off for updating from krikzz now so the TG16 issues will be off the table as well.

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« Reply #254 on: July 30, 2015, 07:20:15 AM »
Your intentions are clear. Just maximize your profit and include a system!

[Mon 16:27] <BlueBMW> i wouldnt sell an unmolested duo hehe.  I molest the crap outta of em before they leave me