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thesteve

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2016, 06:22:58 PM »
Early 90s I was repairing sets found  curb side
Even my 77 Quasar had clean lines (I would adjust the focus by them)

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2016, 07:55:25 PM »

 The scanline gap doesn't actually come from the PCE itself, or its signal in particular. Rather it comes from the televisions having a fixed frequency scanrate, coupled with an expected interlaced display.

 The gap between the scanlines, that look, has many contributing factors because TV sets back in the day were garbage/low quality compared to RGB monitors. I'm referring to the beam actually widening (in both directions, but specifically vertically). That's why the gaps might not appear on bright areas or as strong (whites and such), but do on lower luma colors. It's a blooming effect on the beam. Secondly, interlace displays have interlacing artifacts (combing artifacts), so the TV manufacture purposely inflate the height of the scanling being drawn so the overlap would hide interlacing (combined with the blooming effect for bright colors).

 So your scanline experience would vary from model, to brand, or your personally display settings. The TV I bought in my teen years to play my 16bit systems, had a nice clean/clear scanline gap effect. Arcade monitors BITD had more of pronounced scanline gap effect because the beams were sharper/narrower focused. Generally, the better the TV set the more pronounced the scanline gap would be.

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2016, 02:19:39 AM »
I'm in the very small minority that prefers the brightness and clarity of no scanlines.  To me, scanlines sort of blur an dull the picture.  I understand the argument of scanlines adding depth to the picture, but like I said, I will trade the depth for more clarity and color pop.  I prefer the turbo because of its incredible color pallette and how the software designers used its capabilities.

Here my question, does 8- versus 16-bit make a difference to your preference for scanlines?  I don't play much 8-bit anymore. 

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2016, 05:31:26 AM »
Here my question, does 8- versus 16-bit make a difference to your preference for scanlines?  I don't play much 8-bit anymore. 

Run everything retro on SD CRT. All CRT's have scanlines. Ergo, all retro has scanlines. Done.

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2016, 05:53:39 AM »
for me personally its not the scan lines but the lack of image processing on the CRT that i prefer
my plasma PVM doesnt show gaps, but does faithfully reproduce the image line by line so its not bad, but CRT still wins for fast display updates

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2016, 06:06:06 AM »
for me personally its not the scan lines but the lack of image processing on the CRT that i prefer
my plasma PVM doesnt show gaps, but does faithfully reproduce the image line by line so its not bad, but CRT still wins for fast display updates


Well now I would like to see images of retro games running on a plasma PVM for pure curiosity sake.

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2016, 10:27:49 AM »
The only plasma PVMs I've seen are those monochrome green ones they built into $20,000 laptops in the 80s for mobile service of other equipment. I guess there must have been some transition between CRT and LCD in the PVM world and it was plasma? Interesting.

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2016, 08:37:04 AM »
Yes it was plasma, with mainly NEC and pioneer units
Pioneer even had some 4:3 units

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2016, 09:47:21 AM »
Man, Pioneer plasmas. Such a loss...

schweaty

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2016, 10:12:19 AM »
I still have a pioneer plasma from 2005.  Still going strong 11 years later

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2016, 02:44:53 PM »
My friend has a Kuro from that time period. It's truely fantastic now and obviously would have wiped the floor with any LCD from 2005.

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2016, 05:23:54 PM »
I have a 2005 or 2006 Panasonic Plasma that is absolutely gorgeous. True black, movies are fantastic.

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Re: trying to understand scanlines....
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2016, 05:55:58 PM »
mine is a NEC plasmasync from around 2004 (PX50XM3A)
had it several years, with little issue